I Have NO POWER!

[mike@newera]

Originally Posted by rpepka

So how did it go at the tracK?

Ran a 13.38, you didn't see my post? There is a thread on it in the racing section here.

[Paul]

Did your son put all these car lengths on you right out of the gate and/or were you starting to pull on him in high gear? I think these newer cars are going to be a little slower out of the gate due to weight/rear end gearing from the factory but will pull hard on the top end. Of course put it on a dyno it wont lie.

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by Paul

Did your son put all these car lengths on you right out of the gate and/or were you starting to pull on him in high gear? I think these newer cars are going to be a little slower out of the gate due to weight/rear end gearing from the factory but will pull hard on the top end. Of course put it on a dyno it wont lie.

He pulled me out of the gate and kept we kept pulling further away.

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by MellowYellow

I think Gm can tell if you reflash your computer. its all about what you want
performance or warranty ?

or you can buy another computer have it tuned and and pop the factory one back in when you go to the dealership.

Where do you get another computer?

[speedster]

Originally Posted by rpepka

Where do you get another computer?

Double check with Andy at ADM Performance
http://www.admperformance.com/
I think he posted he has computers.
Plus he could probably throw a great tune into it.
Just an idea.

[SSRider]

Originally Posted by Gary B

Theres also torque management programmed into the 6 spd manual also. It may not be as pronounced, but its there and is slowing them down! They ALL need a good tune!

Are you 100% sure that the TQ Mgmt table in the tuning software is actually live when using it to program an LS3 with an M6 ? When I tuned my C5 M6 I did remove the TQ Mgmt but I could not notice any difference and never was able to verify if that table simply showed in the tuning software for the A4 users or it really was live for the M6 as well?????? Any thoughts?

[mike@newera]

It is mostly live at part throttle situations when stock, once you start modding it becomes more active with a standard transmission by exceeding certain thresholds in the stock calibration. Also, the way you drive it can alter this as well, so many variables here.

[SSRider]

Thanks for the reply, that makes sense.

[Restroom]

I was just about to post a tongue-in-cheek photoedit featuring a convenient sign we doomed L99ers can hang in the passenger window reading "SORRY - I can't race you until I mod the shit out of my crippled stock setup! Check back in $10k!" and I realized that would soon end up on the Mustang forums out of context. Seriously, though, this kind of thread scares the piss out of me; what the hell business does GM think it's in with this thing? Who's sitting there in a product meeting saying "Hey, we better build this car with enough booby-traps in it to screw the average Joe either out of warranty or looking at the competition's taillights, because, you know, they can't afford Vettes"?

Before I get jumped on for the obvious, I guess that was a little tongue-in-cheek as well; I'm well aware that stock isn't ever going to be good enough, if indeed there is such a thing. I know warranties are not written up with the strip in mind, and that it's totally normal to have one group of guys (the SS program) beating the crap out of a car on a track under ridiculous conditions while another thinks they ought to throw in TM to keep the odd grocery-getter from getting lodged under the ass-end of a pokey pickup. And it's one thing to say "Oh, the hell with my warranty," but another thing entirely to wonder whether the tiny gains from a TM-delete tune are worth being high and dry when something truly catastrophic goes wrong a year down the pike. Are we worrying a little too much, or are we jumping to conclusions? Are these reports singular aberrations or ar ethese cars just not as fast as we thought they ought to feel?

[mike@newera]

There is more to it than torque management, the L99, as been discussed on here before is an LS3 with the following that make the engine have less power:

-Much more restrictive exhaust
-Smaller camshaft profile due to the fact that it has AFM
-Valve reliefs cut in the pistons which slightly lower the compression ratio

Torque Management is in the Engine tune and the Trans tune, it pulls timing and closes the throttle body(or opens it less) based on many scenarios, and for the transimssion it pulls timing to the extent that the engine can decelerate through the shift only which slows you down drastically in your shifts when drag racing. When I tune for Torque Management, I eliminate the Engine Torque Management and I vary the Trans Torque Management depending on some other variables, but after I am done with it you pretty much can't even tell it's there, but some still is just for an added security.
On a side note, I did dyno my Camaro SS completely stock, and I wasn't too happy with the results, but it was at 400 miles, I just hit 500 miles this weekend and I am going to dyno it again this week sometime to see if it changed.

[Black 2SS]

Originally Posted by Red Hot SS

cough *shoulda got manual* cough

Not all of us can drive a stick. I am paralyzed and can only drive an auotmatic.

[rpepka]

I want a LS7

[MikeZ28]

How/why is the L99 exhaust more restrictive than the Camaro LS3 exhaust? I assumed all the Camaro V8s got the same exhaust but I could obviously be wrong.. Oh, did they do something funky with the L99 exhaust to change the sound when in AFM mode?

[Shadowmind]

Originally Posted by Red Hot SS

cough *shoulda got manual* cough

pssff..

I can power shift auto paddles a hell of a lot faster than a manual.

Don't knock it till you try it.