Credit Union Supplier Discount update

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Yeah not sure if I would fight it, because in the end unless you have a contract in writing saying your getting MSRP they might just walk out on you and sell it to someone else. People who posted cars at MSRP on this forum got them sold in 1-2days meaning if your dealer wants to turn it around and sell to someone else they can easily. Its up to you, do you want to save your 900$ or risk wasting tons of hours or even loosing your car?

You guys are correct in saying that I have a choice of going to a dealer that will honor the deal. And of course when I ordered the car they wrote it up and signed the car off at MSRP so I am locked in on that price, I'm a little dumb but not that dumb. If they wan't to back out of the deal over hard feelings so be it, but I doubt they would.

And I don't understand why trmoo02 thinks " honestly I hope they don't honor it" unless you work at a car dealership I don't know why you don't feel as a customers that GM in particular should show good will. They have the ability to accept these discounts, that are choosing not too! And it's a $1300savings with the CU discount, that could pay for the exhaust that I am going to GIVE RIGHT BACK TO GM ANYWAY! Get my point!

I do have a lot of balls and I am willing to test mine against there's. They want my money and I want there car. I have the right to tell everyone not to go to this dealership if I don't like the way they did business, I'm not saying the lied to me or mislead me but I still don't have to like it if I don't feel they did everything they could for me.

People who value my opinion will listen and people who don't won't care what I say so no harm done. But I have a right to be pissed and make noise the same way they have a right to say no to my discount.

And your correct Scotty I could go to a dealer that says they will honor the discount but I have not found one in my area, DC, that will put that in writing anyway. They have all said we will determine if we can do that when your car arrives. BS! They could tell me either way right now, they are playing the game.

I am saying I am willing to play the game too if need be, we can do this little dance and in the end I'm sure we will meet at a happy conclusion. I have purchased 9 cars to this point so I know how it works.

My main point is that GM should not play any games! At this point they should honor every discount that GM says they make available. Dealers should not choose to say no, they have the right to say no but they should not. Remember this was a failed company for many reasons, one big reason is becasue customers did not have any faith in the product, they stopped buying them period. Sell as many cars as you can right now and get back to a place where people feel good about your product and you business policies.

Thanks for your'e feedback, I feel strongly about this point but I will gaurantee you one thing for sure. I will be driving one soon no matter what but I just don't want the dealership to know it or then I'll be one of those sad souls' that just paid $5000 over MSRP.:(

[SilverIce1]

This is amazing! The Camaro is already priced as a bargain from GM! That is obvious because some are willing to pay market price which is $5K or more over depending on the model. Used at auction are selling at $3.5K to $7K over sticker. There is your discount! Count yourself lucky!

GM should raise the sticker price on these cars by the $5K and then offer you the GMS discount of $900 to $1,300 dollars. Perhaps you'd feel better then...

Does anybody have any idea how much it cost to run a car dealership? Prime real estate, taxes galore, utilities, labor, insurance, floor-Planning expense, advertising, etc...

The GMS pricing takes away nearly all dealer income from the sale. If they sold the hottest selling car Chevy has at cost or less then the dealer runs the risk of going out of business. Nothing else is moving off the lot these days. If you owned that business you'd do the same or you'd end up out of business.

No, I am not a dealer. I paid MSRP and am glad I did. I have one and others don't...

I do however wish you luck as you are going to need it!

[CamaroScotty]

GM cannot dictate pricing, and it has nothing to do with a failed business. And GM has offered discounts from day one on this car, as they said they would.

And there were many reasons it did (get driven to bankruptcy), but try not to look much further than $4.25 gasoline - which hurt the economy in many ways, driving up the costs of everything we buy.

Personally, I can remember getting a can of Campbells Chicken noodle soup for about .29 18 months ago.....I find $1.19 to be an outrage. Gas prices came down, but food prices did not.

Now we shut down a bunch of truck plants, the Janesville plant for Tahoe's and Suburbans....now we can get any for stock, when people want to come in and buy them. Not having product and having buyers is NOT GOOD...They go elsewhere to other brands. and actually we had this problem last summer with Impala's, cobalts, and Aveo's.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by JProberts

And I don't understand why trmoo02 thinks " honestly I hope they don't honor it" unless you work at a car dealership I don't know why you don't feel as a customers that GM in particular should show good will. They have the ability to accept these discounts, that are choosing not too! And it's a $1300savings with the CU discount, that could pay for the exhaust that I am going to GIVE RIGHT BACK TO GM ANYWAY! (

Here's my point. We know for a fact there are shitty dealers out there who have been renigging on promises made up front and/or changing the "game" midstream. Unless I'm misreading what you're saying, you have a dealer that was completely up front about what they were going to charge if you decided to buy from them. Now you are going to try and change the terms and if they don't play ball, you're going to misrepresent them as one of those shitty dealers. In my book, that sucks.

[JProberts]

You may be correct in that the Camaro is priced very fairly as it should be. All cars should be priced fairly and you seem to think that GM is doing me a favor by allowing me to purchase a car at MSRP.

There is a MSRP for a reason you know and that is to let you know what the manufacturer inteded for the price to be. People paying over MSRP are sometimes refered to as crazy, it may not be crazy but it is paying more than what was originally intended the car to cost.

Dealers make money in other manners that just selling one car. I have purchased multiple cars from a dealer on more than one occasion and you know why, becasue they took care of me and gave me a good/fair deal the first time so of course the next time I purchased a car I look to them first becasue I had a good relationship with them. And then I took my car there and got it serviced regularly, along with buying accessories and sending all my friends that way when they were interested in cars.

My point is this would be good business for GM in the long run to get people back in their dealerships buying and repairing cars for the next 10 years possibly. That is more important that selling me one car over MSRP just because the market says you can in my opionion.

Look at the guys that work at GM dealerships on this forum and most of them seem to say their dealerships are selling orders at MSRP and accepting at least some of the discounts. There is a thread about dealers selling over MSRP for a reason, and these dealers will lose out in the end becasue the people on these forum will stay away from those dealers and flock to the ones that are providing the best deals anyway, so those dealers will lose anyway and it won't be becasue they sold to many cars at MSRP and discounts. It will be becasue people will take their business somewhere else where they get a better deal.

Thanks for wishing me luck but luck is something I don't need in buying a car. Golf maybe, I'll take all the luck I can get there but buying cars has nothing to do with luck.

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by trm0002

Here's my point. We know for a fact there are shitty dealers out there who have been renigging on promises made up front and/or changing the "game" midstream. Unless I'm misreading what you're saying, you have a dealer that was completely up front about what they were going to charge if you decided to buy from them. Now you are going to try and change the terms and if they don't play ball, you're going to misrepresent them as one of those shitty dealers. In my book, that sucks.

Your'e right, they were upfront with me in telling me that they cannot give me this discount when I placed the order The issue I have is that they can give me the discount but are chossing not too! Who's misrepresenting who here?

The dealer even told me that they can do it for any other car on the lot but not the Camaro, that sucks in my book! And I did not even mention the fact that I can get a Vette or other GM cars at 0.9 up to 2.9% through them if I qualify but this not possible with the Camaro becasue once again it is hot so they don't have to offer any incentive.

That's just classic! Offer incentives on cars that people don't want but not on the ones they want becuae you can.

I know the dealerships need to make money but sometimes the manner in which you make the money in thelong run is more important than the bottom line now. Remeber this GM is suppossed to be a new company. I think they should understand that this business is a marathon and not a sprint if you know what I mean.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by JProberts

Your'e right, they were upfront with me in telling me that they cannot give me this discount when I placed the order The issue I have is that they can give me the discount but are chossing not too! Who's misrepresenting who here?

The dealer even told me that they can do it for any other car on the lot but not the Camaro, that sucks in my book...

I know the dealerships need to make money but sometimes the manner in which you make the money in thelong run is more important than the bottom line now. Remeber this GM is suppossed to be a new company. I think they should understand that this business is a marathon and not a sprint if you know what I mean.

First question I have is did they simply tell you they couldn't "discount" the Camaro or did they tell you specifically that GM wouldn't let them? As far as being able to but choosing not to, they could sell you the car for a dollar too but obviously choose not to do that either. Don't get me wrong, I have zero issues with you WANTNG a discount. If you indeed do qualify for one you should have continued to look for a dealer offering one. They aren't exactly on every street corner but it's not like there's only one per state or somethng rediculous like that either. As I said earlier, my issue is you badmouthing a dealer, who is dong exactly what they told you they were going to do, if they don't change their minds and give you the discount (regardless of why). Bottom line is that the dealer would lose about $1600 doing that on a 2ss. They get ZERO "compensation" from GM when they sell a car at supplier pricing.

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by trm0002

First question I have is did they simply tell you they couldn't "discount" the Camaro or did they tell you specifically that GM wouldn't let them? As far as being able to but choosing not to, they could sell you the car for a dollar too but obviously choose not to do that either. Don't get me wrong, I have zero issues with you WANTNG a discount. If you indeed do qualify for one you should have continued to look for a dealer offering one. They aren't exactly on every street corner but it's not like there's only one per state or somethng rediculous like that either. As I said earlier, my issue is you badmouthing a dealer, who is dong exactly what they told you they were going to do, if they don't change their minds and give you the discount (regardless of why). Bottom line is that the dealer would lose about $1600 doing that on a 2ss. They get ZERO "compensation" from GM when they sell a car at supplier pricing.

Yes they told me they would not allow the CU discount, GM has already made it available it is the choice of each dealership. I am saying this should be a no brainer choise for the dealerships. You may be correct that they will lose $800 - $1500 on this particular sale. But they may get, and probably will get countless $$$ from me on other services and future sales because of there willingness to give me every avaibale discount I qualify for. And a gain I must stress that most of their sales will not be discount sales so they will make money on the majority those call sales.

You are correct in that they told me up front they would not do this and I could tone down my emotions by not badmouthing the dealer. I won't recommend them to anyone that is trying to use a discount that's for sure. I have no i'll will towards the dealer or dealership personally, it's just business for them at the end of the day but it's also business for me and I will play all the cards available. If they think I'm not happy and won't recommend them to others than that may work in my favor.

I don't want to be unfair but I will if they are, and this is borderline unfair.

You don't think so, it's fair for a dealer not to give someone a discount that they would qualify for on any other car on their lot? Really?

Can I get a simple vote from people if they think it's fair practice of a dealer to not give a discount if a customer qualifies for it?

[JEFE SS]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

Why TRY to get a discount? Just order from a dealer who CLEARLY SAYS you will get a discount. Less headaches for both parties.

Nice point Scotty. Wish your dealership was closer but I finally made my choice
and I found my dealer. It'll be a 245 mile trip one way to get my baby when she
comes in but my discount came to $1119 and change which means that CAI
and exhaust will be added sooner rather than later. Get my workbench number
today!!! So 1100 status here I come and the waiting begins.

[mion2001]

Does the dealer get reimbursed by anyone for these discounts (example) Credit Union Discounts? Like a coupon, the company that provides it usually reimburses the store for the face value. Does this happen with GM or the dealer?

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

Why TRY to get a discount? Just order from a dealer who CLEARLY SAYS you will get a discount. Less headaches for both parties.

[CamaroScotty]

Originally Posted by mion2001

Does the dealer get reimbursed by anyone for these discounts (example) Credit Union Discounts? Like a coupon, the company that provides it usually reimburses the store for the face value. Does this happen with GM or the dealer?

With employee pricing, the dealership will get a partial credit - Supplier is ate by the dealership.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by mion2001

Does the dealer get reimbursed by anyone for these discounts (example) Credit Union Discounts? Like a coupon, the company that provides it usually reimburses the store for the face value. Does this happen with GM or the dealer?

No. If the discount takes the price below dealer invoice, as is usually the case in employee pricing, the dealer is "rebated" ONLY
UP TO INVOICE LEVEL. No other reimbursement is received.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

With employee pricing, the dealership will get a partial credit - Supplier is ate by the dealership.

Hi Scotty!

[CamaroScotty]

Originally Posted by trm0002

Hi Scotty!

Hi, I'm new here!