Poll: What is considered a ZL1 "bolt on"?

[CanadianZL1#992]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

If a CAI is installed with hose clamps, would that be a strap-on? If so I'll fight to be on the top of that catergory...definitely don't want to be on the bottom...

Lol. Good call

[360ss]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

If a CAI is installed with hose clamps, would that be a strap-on? If so I'll fight to be on the top of that catergory...definitely don't want to be on the bottom...

Air raid consider their product as bolt on action.

[jessrayo]

The problem with this poll and thread in general is that many people participating in the poll and and posting on the thread do not understand the context surrounding the poll. To be honest, I did not completely understand it when I first read it. I have gone back and read every post on this thread and it appears that the first people posting on this thread understood the context and then it got lost along the way. Here is the crux of the issue in case others care to read a random post by me...lol.

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

The real question is, if a car installs a ported supercharger snout, which of the above 3 classes should it be considered in? Now, I will agree with many of the random posters that porting anything does not sound like it has anything to do with bolts. But does anyone really think a car with a ported snout, or blower, or throttle body should be class 11? Maybe I should start another poll. Maybe we do need 8 classes in the ZL1 fast list. Maybe we need to change the wording of the existing classes. Maybe we need to put a little more info on the poll question. I don't know..... I'm just trying to clarify all the mud around here...lol.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The problem with this poll and thread in general is that many people participating in the poll and and posting on the thread do not understand the context surrounding the poll. To be honest, I did not completely understand it when I first read it. I have gone back and read every post on this thread and it appears that the first people posting on this thread understood the context and then it got lost along the way. Here is the crux of the issue in case others care to read a random post by me...lol.

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

The real question is, if a car installs a ported supercharger snout, which of the above 3 classes should it be considered in? Now, I will agree with many of the random posters that porting anything does not sound like it has anything to do with bolts. But a does anyone really think a car with a ported snout, or blower, or throttle body should be class 11? Maybe I should start another poll. Maybe we do need 8 classes in the ZL1 fast list. Maybe we need to change the wording of the existing classes. Maybe we need to put a little more info on the poll question. I don't know..... I'm just trying to clarify all the mud around here...lol.

I vote for #10 in regards to Camarovigoa's car. No internal engine mods were performed as far as I can tell.

[Stephen12ZL1]

And to further clarify...this thread was not intended to "discredit" anyone...even though black and white words here may seem to threaten certain individuals. The initial question was "Is a 102mm throttle body with ported snout a 'bolt on' if it can't be bolted to a stock snout?" I never cried foul or said a 1/4 mile time was invalid. Please respect responses from persons that do not immediately defame and condescend .

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The problem with this poll and thread in general is that many people participating in the poll and and posting on the thread do not understand the context surrounding the poll. To be honest, I did not completely understand it when I first read it. I have gone back and read every post on this thread and it appears that the first people posting on this thread understood the context and then it got lost along the way. Here is the crux of the issue in case others care to read a random post by me...lol.

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

The real question is, if a car installs a ported supercharger snout, which of the above 3 classes should it be considered in? Now, I will agree with many of the random posters that porting anything does not sound like it has anything to do with bolts. But a does anyone really think a car with a ported snout, or blower, or throttle body should be class 11? Maybe I should start another poll. Maybe we do need 8 classes in the ZL1 fast list. Maybe we need to change the wording of the existing classes. Maybe we need to put a little more info on the poll question. I don't know..... I'm just trying to clarify all the mud around here...lol.

For that matter, one could almost argue that the extent of the porting job in this case is negligible and it alone may not even be considered a bolt-on. If someone removes a factory part does that remove them from 9 and into 10? What if they removed the factory cat back, or removed the back seat and tire inflator? Is that still bone stock or is it bolt on/off?

In the end the categories are vague at best and open to interpretation...until someone specifically defines them.

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by Stephen12ZL1

And to further clarify...this thread was not intended to "discredit" anyone...even though black and white words here may seem to threaten certain individuals. The initial question was "Is a 102mm throttle body with ported snout a 'bolt on' if it can't be bolted to a stock snout?" I never cried foul or said a 1/4 mile time was invalid. Please respect responses from persons that do not immediately defame and condescend .

I never thought that at all, if you read my early posts I thought you were going to port your snout and I was all for it. Hell, I've ported everything on my car that could give me another pony or 2. I think it is all good in the quest for better cars for everyone. I think it is a reasonable question but unfortunately without the full context and combined with the obvious potential rivalry, things seemed to get personal. Unfortunately, that happens sometimes when all you have is print without the personal interaction. I'm still thoroughly impressed with everything you guys are doing with what to me seems like so little....lol. I still have not got my car in the 10's. That is fast!

[Stephen12ZL1]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

I never thought that at all, if you read my early posts I thought you were going to port your snout and I was all for it. Hell, I've ported everything on my car that could give me another pony or 2. I think it is all good in the quest for better cars for everyone. I think it is a reasonable question but unfortunately without the full context and combined with the obvious potential rivalry, things seemed to get personal. Unfortunately, that happens sometimes when all you have is print without the personal interaction. I'm still thoroughly impressed with everything you guys are doing with what to me seems like so little....lol. I still have not got my car in the 10's. That is fast!

Jess, you certainly are not the reason for this response. I only wanted a general consensus from the masses because if I perform these mods as I do not want to "discredit" myself! The hot headed reactionary individuals here are the ones that think I mean harm here and do not think clearly before posting. Bottom line....I love fast cars especially ZL1s!!!

[CanadianZL1#992]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The problem with this poll and thread in general is that many people participating in the poll and and posting on the thread do not understand the context surrounding the poll. To be honest, I did not completely understand it when I first read it. I have gone back and read every post on this thread and it appears that the first people posting on this thread understood the context and then it got lost along the way. Here is the crux of the issue in case others care to read a random post by me...lol.

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

The real question is, if a car installs a ported supercharger snout, which of the above 3 classes should it be considered in? Now, I will agree with many of the random posters that porting anything does not sound like it has anything to do with bolts. But does anyone really think a car with a ported snout, or blower, or throttle body should be class 11? Maybe I should start another poll. Maybe we do need 8 classes in the ZL1 fast list. Maybe we need to change the wording of the existing classes. Maybe we need to put a little more info on the poll question. I don't know..... I'm just trying to clarify all the mud around here...lol.

I d never really checked out the fast list categories Jess. If those are to choices I'd have to agree the car that was in question would belong in #10 in my opinion. It's not stock, yet no internal mods, it has to fit in the middle. Only problem I had was the arrogant attitude of "some" members. I really don't car if your car is faster than mine or islanders car is faster than mine(which it is), I've built my car up the way I want it and enjoy it.

[gen=5]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You should report those kinds of people. I can't fix it if I don't see it.

On my Camaro5, everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they can respect everyone else.

I know you say that and if it was true,then what a great world it would be if we could all get along...But when people claim to be the worlds fastest something and someone else brings up a point,which may look like their car has a part that may cause them to have others think its unfair they get their feelings hurt and act out,instead of acting like a adult and realizing all of this stuff in the real world is meaningless its just for fun no more than paintball is..Unless your doing it as a pro ...If C5 paid us to be on top of this list then maybe i could understand while so called adults act this way over silly things,but there are plenty of real classes that wont include porting a S/C as a bolt on it would fall under something else,your increasing the size of the S/C as well. The pole has almost %60 of the those voting that a ported snout/and or case is not a bolt on....It falls under modified or power adder If it come from the factory with a blower, so say the mass's
AS for myself I dont understand why there is not a vert class since...Or a class for the disabled now that would be cool and show support for all forum members..

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) [B]ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

Those are such incredibly broad categories for something like that.

[Mr Monte]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The "fast list" of official quarter mile records has 3 categories for ZL1 Camaros. They are:
9) ZL1 Bone Stock
10) ZL1 Camaro, Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification
11) ZL1 Camaro, Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons

To me #9 Bone Stock means as came from factory with no mods or weight reduction of any kind so modding a stock part then reinstalling would put you in #10 Bolt-Ons.

You can get a custom cam made within factory spec limits that produces more power than an off the shelf OEM cam then balance the assembly to the lightest weight allowed per factory specs & have an impressive "stock" engine.

[gen=5]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

I never thought that at all, if you read my early posts I thought you were going to port your snout and I was all for it. Hell, I've ported everything on my car that could give me another pony or 2. I think it is all good in the quest for better cars for everyone. I think it is a reasonable question but unfortunately without the full context and combined with the obvious potential rivalry, things seemed to get personal. Unfortunately, that happens sometimes when all you have is print without the personal interaction. I'm still thoroughly impressed with everything you guys are doing with what to me seems like so little....lol. I still have not got my car in the 10's. That is fast!

Question your car Has almost 850rwhp,and your saying it can not run in the 10's,WTF....there are cars with 200 less rwhp running 10's passes all day long..you have thrown everything plus the kitchen sink in that beast...
Unless your just breaking it every time you run as i remember you posting that it blew up when you got it back from your tuner,which just seems like poor attention to detail on someones behalf. I am willing to bet with the right tires etc...my silly little vert could pull a 10.9 pass on the right day, or at least thats what i have been told my a couple of the shop's that have had it...

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by islander033

I vote for #10 in regards to Camarovigoa's car. No internal engine mods were performed as far as I can tell.

I think I agree but I would vote number 10 for someone with a ported blower as well based ont his logic as not interal engine mods were perfromed.

so in my mind you either allow porting or don't these parts do bolt on external to the motor and can be ported so game on.