#230 a Bat out of Hell?

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by Slvr1SSA6

The dyno numbers are NOT the issue with these cars. Yes they are fat with fuel, and yes they are not timed for optimum performance so the hp numbers are a little low. They are tuned this way for reliability (warranty). The issue with these cars being beat by 6 cylinder cars is the FACT that the torque management has these cars so constrained at take off they wont get out of their own way. You won’t see all of that torque management on a dyno sheet. My guess that the ones that are running ?good? for some reason the torque management isn’t set as high.

This is what I've been saying for a long time now. I've been at the track with almost identical 0-60' times; all of my races have been 13.7-13.9 or 14.3-14.4...not a single race in the middle. I've come to my own conclusion that the only thing that could possibly cause that is Torque Management. If you launch the car just the slightest bit off the TM over adjusts and reduces the power going to the wheels. Some cars are worse than others it seems. It is barely noticeable in the 0-60' times, but is quite evident in the 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times. I guaranty if you take TM off in a tune you will not have a problem what so ever.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I'm not a gearhead but it seems that, even with TM, the car should run the doors off of a V6 when it puts out more HP and TQ.

If I have to go to this length, I'll just mod the car and to hell with GMs warranty.

I got a slow weiner. And you're right. But you missed one option that I feel a lot of people will take.

3. To hell with it, my last car was a weak car and this is amazing in comparison.

Torque Mangmt. sux.

Here's also an interesting thread that was just started. This V6 Camaro with the 21" wheel option was running 6.6+ sec, 0-60mph. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35219

That's definately something to think about. I would love to see how fast your car would run with the stock 20'' wheels.

[Slvr1SSA6]

Originally Posted by toehead93

I guaranty if you take TM off in a tune you will not have a problem what so ever.

And if GM did this in the first place, these forums would be filled with nothing but praise for the car, and the Ford and Dodge forums would be filled with "I aint racin' no more Camaro's! I am tired of gettin' beat!"

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Here's also an interesting thread that was just started. This V6 Camaro with the 21" wheel option was running 6.6+ sec, 0-60mph. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35219

That's definately something to think about. I would love to see how fast your car would run with the stock 20'' wheels.

I'm curious as well. I am certain it would only be .1 or at the most .2 secs different. But it's funny how the V6, with the same wheels as myself, is running right around the same speed as me. I'm at 6.2, the LT is at 6.6

At least he's within .4 seconds of the advertised time. And WITH the bigger wheels. I'm 1.5 secs off of the advertised times WITH the 21s. I wonder if he's a lot of runs over 7 seconds? It would be a close race between me and him. And he would beat me on some runs.

My car should be MUCH faster than his.

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by patriotpa

...and then only a very few.

Many more then you think for sure.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Here's also an interesting thread that was just started. This V6 Camaro with the 21" wheel option was running 6.6+ sec, 0-60mph. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35219

That's definately something to think about. I would love to see how fast your car would run with the stock 20'' wheels.

Also, you can't assume that the run would have been a 6.1 as advertised. I'm being told somehow that my slow times are attributable to a number of factors. So then we would have to assume this guy has NONE of those fators involved and the whole .5 second loss is due to the wheels. No way. Like I said, a .2 loss from the wheels at the most.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Also, you can't assume that the run would have been a 6.1 as advertised. I'm being told somehow that my slow times are attributable to a number of factors. So then we would have to assume this guy has NONE of those fators involved and the whole .5 second loss is due to the wheels. No way. Like I said, a .2 loss from the wheels at the most.

I really think you only have one option. That's to mod your car and get it tuned. That way you can make it as fast as you want. Otherwise, your stuck with what you've got, and you'll continue to be unhappy with your car.

I seriously dought GM is going to offer a tune that's going to make a significant difference in your car's performance. My guess is GM would tell you that your car is working fine, if the had GM engineers check it out.

[bobby35ny]

I think this whole L99 stuff is a non issue now. Fbod has already indicated that they know about the issues and now the L99 guys have to wait for the fix, lets hope its not too long!!

I feel for you guys.
-bobby

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I think this whole L99 stuff is a non issue now. Fbod has already indicated that they know about the issues and now the L99 guys have to wait for the fix, lets hope its not too long!!

I feel for you guys.
-bobby

I think it will be a major issue for these guys until their cars are actually runnng fast. No one knows how long it might be and if the "fix" will even resolve their performance issues. In my mean time, they get to drive around running 7.0 sec, 0-60mph.

[redjewel]

Bobby do you have a link to where Fbodfather said that? I have not seen him in Scotts or Randy's threads.
Thanks

And to other person who said few cars are exhibiting this that is not the case. There are many more than we know of. My opinion is it is all in the torque management. I think if they opened up TM we would be much closer to what we expect. We all lose it in the low end no matter how we launch.

I will wait a while longer to see what GM does before tuning the car as I would like to keep warranty.

[ElAntonius]

Originally Posted by redjewel

Bobby do you have a link to where Fbodfather said that? I have not seen him in Scotts or Randy's threads.
Thanks

And to other person who said few cars are exhibiting this that is not the case. There are many more than we know of. My opinion is it is all in the torque management. I think if they opened up TM we would be much closer to what we expect. We all lose it in the low end no matter how we launch.

I will wait a while longer to see what GM does before tuning the car as I would like to keep warranty.

I'm not bobby, but I found this:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...722#post741722

Blurb towards the end.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by ElAntonius

I'm not bobby, but I found this:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...722#post741722

Blurb towards the end.

YUP!!
Thats it.
I'm really sure they want to KILL all the bad press for this car. I'm sure they don't want another black eye with the L99 issue hitting the mainstream media.

-bobby

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I really think you only have one option. That's to mod your car and get it tuned. That way you can make it as fast as you want. Otherwise, your stuck with what you've got, and you'll continue to be unhappy with your car.

I seriously dought GM is going to offer a tune that's going to make a significant difference in your car's performance. My guess is GM would tell you that your car is working fine, if the had GM engineers check it out.

Well, my dealer allready told me my car is 'within specs' and they seem reluctant to go any farther. I'll wait till the weekend of Sept. 19th when I'll be in Atlanta anyway for MSN car show. If there is still no word, I'll have MTI fix it. And at that point, I'll not spew a bunch of BS about GM and the Camaro, but I certainly won't have much good to say about MY personal experience, but will tell it like it is. I think at that point I will have given them a MORE than fair amount of time to fix it.

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I think this whole L99 stuff is a non issue now. Fbod has already indicated that they know about the issues and now the L99 guys have to wait for the fix, lets hope its not too long!!

I feel for you guys.
-bobby

It's NOT a non-issue. To you and many others it is. But, me? I paid a lot of money for this car and it's not what I was told it would be. Not in it's current state.

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

YUP!!
Thats it.
I'm really sure they want to KILL all the bad press for this car. I'm sure they don't want another black eye with the L99 issue hitting the mainstream media.

-bobby

Hard to say right now. If I KNEW it would be fixed by GM in a fairly timely manner, I would be telling everyone to BUY THIS CAR. Other than the issue at hand THIS CAR ROCKS. It was the most pleasureful and cherished 'possesion' I had ever owned. I was on cloud nine. To a pathetic point. I just couldn't believe I actually owned this thing. I stared at it ANY time it was in my sight. The car alone had me in a state of 'nothing can get me down', but right now? Not so much.

[PQ]

If GM would at least acknowlege there is something wrong and tell me they would work on it, I would be FINE. But until then, it sucks. When I'm out and about and people ask about the car, I cringe when they ask about how fast it is and I have to tell them about the problem I'm having. I just tell them GM is working on a fix, and I'll be fine.

Initialy I would just lie to them and say it was a speed demon.