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Fiveg56 · 05-05-2013, 11:38 AM

V6 owner says a ZL1 is slow and an SS is slow?

Um... troll???

2014camaro · 05-05-2013, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiveg56

V6 owner says a ZL1 is slow and an SS is slow?

Um... troll???

He is not saying it's slow, he is saying it's not responsive, because the car has not broken in. As for the OP, you said that you want a Z/28 but dont like the looks, if you are planning on having your camaro as a daily driver, the Z/28 is not a good choice. If you can get the ZL1, get that because it is a more aggressive model with all the luxuries, it is also very responsive perfomance wise and handeling wise. If you don't want the ZL1, then your best bet is a SS/1LE.

G4M3OVR · 05-05-2013, 12:03 PM

This is going to sound weird and maybe it's just me but my ZL1 feels way more responsive when the traction control is on. Even when traction isn't an issue, having it off just makes the car feel noticeably less responsive.

rich3fan · 05-05-2013, 12:17 PM

Jim, here's one thread that talks about catch cans. Essentially, they capture the oil vapor from the crankcase so it's not fed back into the combustion chamber.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ighlight=catch

snizzle · 05-05-2013, 12:31 PM

All about perspective. Mine seem to wake up about 1K.

2cnd chance · 05-05-2013, 12:49 PM

A very firm chassis (which the Camaro has) will control all aspects of the car much better than a lesser chassis. That control will make the car feel less excitable. If you watch any racing the cars that are set up better are much less exciting (scary) to drive as the car feels planted. That being said the Camaro's chassis is underpowered. Why? Because it can handle much more.

SGOS252382 · 05-05-2013, 01:03 PM

One thing to consider.
Big displacement engines (especially LS1, LS2, LS3, etc) deliver very smooth power. That can sometimes make the car feel slower than it really is.
I've been in cars that run 14s at the track that feel real fast when I'm behind the wheel. Then I can jump in a 12 sec Corvette and the car doesn't feel all that fast.

Smooth power delivery can make a very fast car seem much slower than it really is.

JoshBobGuptaMarley · 05-05-2013, 01:20 PM

Lag is the first thing you upgrade and correct if you've done your homework on this site.

Jims Mongoose · 05-05-2013, 01:41 PM

Check out what I actually said. I am not knocking the SS or the ZL1. I merely said that they don't have the snap I expected. I am sure many of you have hit the nail on the head with the break in period. I'm also confident, since there are threads on the subject that the feel can be corrected.

Let me repeat I think both the SS and ZL1 are awesome.

I was trying to give a perspective from a new guy to these Camaros. Bought my 2013 2LTRs only a few months ago and love it. The SS certainly feels faster than mine.

I do feel however that GM is missing the boat with the HP on their models. See what you think about what these cars should put out

ZL1 690 to 700 horsepower (Compete with Shelby Mustang)
Z28 560 to 600 horsepower (With lighter chassis and since this is an LS7 would be a monster
SS 470 to 500 horsepower (Compete with similar mustangs and SRT dodge cars and give this car an excellent choice for most of us.

LT V6 360 Horsepower to compete with similar mustang.

More options on factory axle ratios.

thanks to all and 'Itsbroke for answer on 'Catch can'.

By the way is there an app on car to check zero to sixty times, like Mustang has.

Jim

rich3fan · 05-05-2013, 02:04 PM

I don't have my SS yet, but I haven't read anything that tells me 0-60 times are measurable from MyLink or the Driver Info Center (DIC). There are however iPhone and I think Android phone apps for that. "Dynolicious" comes to mind. I had that one on my iPod and if I recall correctly it would measure 0-60 times.

Jims Mongoose · 05-05-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsBroke

I don't have my SS yet, but I haven't read anything that tells me 0-60 times are measurable from MyLink or the Driver Info Center (DIC). There are however iPhone and I think Android phone apps for that. "Dynolicious" comes to mind. I had that one on my iPod and if I recall correctly it would measure 0-60 times.

Thanks for the quick reply, I will check it out.

What do you think about horsepower numbers that I believe the Camaros sholuld have?

Jim

JC6 · 05-05-2013, 02:29 PM

What Chevy dealer did you go to???

SlingShot · 05-05-2013, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jims Mongoose

Thanks for the quick reply, I will check it out.

What do you think about horsepower numbers that I believe the Camaros sholuld have?

Jim

Then what are you gonna do with the Vettes ? Can't have have them out performed by a Camaro. With the Mustangs and SRT8's, they are the top dogs for Ford and Dodge.

rich3fan · 05-05-2013, 02:34 PM

I think numbers on paper should be taken with a grain of salt. What you're reading are specs, not real world. The best way to know what the real HP numbers are is to look in the Dyno threads: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36676 & http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114824

Look for posts from members who've dyno'ed their stock trims.

05-05-2013, 12:31 PM	#19
snizzle Recalled user Drives: '12 Camaro SS, '18 Colorado Z71 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,419	All about perspective. Mine seem to wake up about 1K. __________________ 2012 2SS 45th AE LS3 M6 Borla ATAK Catback Kooks Stepped LT Headers CAI Intake Hexvents VMAX CNC Ported Throttle Body RX Catch Can Hurst Short Throw Shifter Pfadt ZL-Spec Stage 3 Suspension Forgestar F14 Tuned by Frost

05-05-2013, 12:49 PM	#20
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	A very firm chassis (which the Camaro has) will control all aspects of the car much better than a lesser chassis. That control will make the car feel less excitable. If you watch any racing the cars that are set up better are much less exciting (scary) to drive as the car feels planted. That being said the Camaro's chassis is underpowered. Why? Because it can handle much more. __________________

05-05-2013, 01:20 PM	#22
JoshBobGuptaMarley Emerald Coast Camaros Drives: '12 2SS/RS LS3 GBA Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: PanamaCityBeach,Florida Posts: 1,375 View My Garage	Lag is the first thing you upgrade and correct if you've done your homework on this site. __________________ Muffler Delete, Cold Air Inductions intake, Technostalgia Sequential LED Tail Lights, Vmax CNC Ported TB, RX Catch Can, AAC LED Interior Lights (Aqua)

05-05-2013, 01:41 PM	#23
Jims Mongoose Jim Drives: 2013 Black 2SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 645 View My Garage	Some Clarity. Check out what I actually said. I am not knocking the SS or the ZL1. I merely said that they don't have the snap I expected. I am sure many of you have hit the nail on the head with the break in period. I'm also confident, since there are threads on the subject that the feel can be corrected. Let me repeat I think both the SS and ZL1 are awesome. I was trying to give a perspective from a new guy to these Camaros. Bought my 2013 2LTRs only a few months ago and love it. The SS certainly feels faster than mine. I do feel however that GM is missing the boat with the HP on their models. See what you think about what these cars should put out ZL1 690 to 700 horsepower (Compete with Shelby Mustang) Z28 560 to 600 horsepower (With lighter chassis and since this is an LS7 would be a monster SS 470 to 500 horsepower (Compete with similar mustangs and SRT dodge cars and give this car an excellent choice for most of us. LT V6 360 Horsepower to compete with similar mustang. More options on factory axle ratios. thanks to all and 'Itsbroke for answer on 'Catch can'. By the way is there an app on car to check zero to sixty times, like Mustang has. Jim

05-05-2013, 11:38 AM	#15
Fiveg56 Drives: - Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: MN Posts: 1,654 View My Garage	V6 owner says a ZL1 is slow and an SS is slow? Um... troll???

05-05-2013, 12:03 PM	#17
G4M3OVR Drives: '05 OB Neon SRT4, '13 IOM ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: North Jersey Posts: 106	This is going to sound weird and maybe it's just me but my ZL1 feels way more responsive when the traction control is on. Even when traction isn't an issue, having it off just makes the car feel noticeably less responsive.

05-05-2013, 12:17 PM	#18
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	Jim, here's one thread that talks about catch cans. Essentially, they capture the oil vapor from the crankcase so it's not fed back into the combustion chamber. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ighlight=catch

05-05-2013, 01:03 PM	#21
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	One thing to consider. Big displacement engines (especially LS1, LS2, LS3, etc) deliver very smooth power. That can sometimes make the car feel slower than it really is. I've been in cars that run 14s at the track that feel real fast when I'm behind the wheel. Then I can jump in a 12 sec Corvette and the car doesn't feel all that fast. Smooth power delivery can make a very fast car seem much slower than it really is.

05-05-2013, 02:04 PM	#24
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	I don't have my SS yet, but I haven't read anything that tells me 0-60 times are measurable from MyLink or the Driver Info Center (DIC). There are however iPhone and I think Android phone apps for that. "Dynolicious" comes to mind. I had that one on my iPod and if I recall correctly it would measure 0-60 times.

05-05-2013, 02:29 PM	#26
JC6 Drives: 2011 GS Vert. Corvette Join Date: May 2012 Location: So Posts: 189	What Chevy dealer did you go to???

05-05-2013, 02:34 PM	#28
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	I think numbers on paper should be taken with a grain of salt. What you're reading are specs, not real world. The best way to know what the real HP numbers are is to look in the Dyno threads: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36676 & http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114824 Look for posts from members who've dyno'ed their stock trims.