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1LEE · 09-06-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DET MUSL

Yeah OP I plan on getting a 1LE and driving it daily. I'm already used to a hard ride in my current car and couldn't care less about the ride in the Camaro. Obviously this kind of car isn't for you. I'd rather compromise a little ride comfort then compromise handling performance. And another thing, reviews I've read from people who have actually driven a 1LE say the ride isn't that bad.

This.

Norm Peterson · 09-07-2012, 08:39 AM

DanSS - that video is a decent demonstration of how gas pressure can reduce shock fade, but little else. They didn't even mention the fact that heat is rejected from a monotube shock much more readily than it is from twin-tube shocks, which also helps maintain damping consistency over time.

Shock damping is all about the valving, and this necessarily takes things like monotube vs twin-tube construction and piston diameter into consideration. Implying that twin-tube shocks are necessarily inferior to monotube shocks in all respects just because of the number of tubes is misleading.

Moderate changes in spring or bar stiffnesses won't normally hurt the ride quality enough to discourage anybody who holds hard cornering, handling, and the possibility of either autocrossing or track day sessions high enough on the list of priorities going in. Stiffer springs and bars will tend to make the ride firmer rather than harsher, mostly over the larger bumps encountered. It's the amount of suspension movement that determines spring and bar forces.

Harshness comes from the amount of shock damping present, mostly when a bump forces the suspension to compress rapidly. Here, it's the speed of suspension movement (and the valving) that dictates the damper forces, and maximum suspension speed (max shock force) happens a little sooner than maximum displacement (max spring & bar forces).

I would not be surprised if 1LE damping is just a little different than regular SS damping. Just having a bigger stabilizer bar might be enough to force such a change, never mind the more neutral handling behavior intended.

None of these changes from the basic SS level should be a deal-breaker for anybody who places a priority on corner-carving. Like it's been said, it's a package for the 2%-ers among us (implying that it really might not be for everybody, which is OK too).

Norm

SUKXOST · 09-07-2012, 08:45 PM

^^^agreed. It will definitely be noticeable and "better" as far as performance. I'm quite sure it's not going to be like driving a Stagecoach on cobblestone roads during an earthquake.

DanSS24 · 09-07-2012, 09:45 PM

Very well explained Norm...Thank You. In the end, if a person finds this car harsh for them, they are not the 2%ters.

2008yellow · 10-07-2012, 06:24 PM

Thanks for explaining somme about shocks. My stick Camaro is supposed to be here this week and I like the stiffer ride, TAUT as I was told

charlie46 · 10-08-2012, 12:28 AM

I always felt that a car with firm suspension feels more special when you drive it. If i wanted a car that drives like a caddy i would have bought one!

Scott@Bjorn3D · 10-08-2012, 04:54 AM

I was going to order on and told Fbodfather about it and John F. They both new it would be my daily driver like the Bee is and said DO NOT DO IT. Unless of coarse I wanted new kidneys and wanted to buy them often. The car is setup for the track not as a daily driver.

I said well I could handle the harder ride but my wife and enjoy going to Camaro club cruises and I did not want to turn of from going if the car rode that hard.

toehead93 · 10-08-2012, 07:09 AM

One could always upgrade to adjustable coilovers. I have been contemplating this, I have Pedders XAs and I am not sure if I should swap them to the 1LE, get new coilovers for the 1LE, or keep the stock ones.

2cnd chance · 10-08-2012, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toehead93

One could always upgrade to adjustable coilovers. I have been contemplating this, I have Pedders XAs and I am not sure if I should swap them to the 1LE, get new coilovers for the 1LE, or keep the stock ones.

Ask Pete. he'll give you an honest opinion.

dcplus14 · 10-09-2012, 05:09 PM

I installed the 1LE sways over the weekend. Honestly, I prefer this ride feel to stock. Doesn't seem harsh at all. Now, couple that with the improved dampening in the 1LE and tires, that may be a different beast that I cannot speak to.

SUKXOST · 10-09-2012, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcplus14

I installed the 1LE sways over the weekend. Honestly, I prefer this ride feel to stock. Doesn't seem harsh at all. Now, couple that with the improved dampening in the 1LE and tires, that may be a different beast that I cannot speak to.

I'll let ya know in a month :P

daveagogo1 · 10-09-2012, 05:58 PM

Plenty of people are running the same type setup on their SS now.

toehead93 · 10-09-2012, 08:25 PM

It isnt the sway bars taht will make the ride more harsh, it is the strut dampers.

dangjohnny · 10-09-2012, 08:59 PM

The 1LE is manual only right? If so, Badass!

1LE>ZL1

09-07-2012, 08:39 AM	#44
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	DanSS - that video is a decent demonstration of how gas pressure can reduce shock fade, but little else. They didn't even mention the fact that heat is rejected from a monotube shock much more readily than it is from twin-tube shocks, which also helps maintain damping consistency over time. Shock damping is all about the valving, and this necessarily takes things like monotube vs twin-tube construction and piston diameter into consideration. Implying that twin-tube shocks are necessarily inferior to monotube shocks in all respects just because of the number of tubes is misleading. Moderate changes in spring or bar stiffnesses won't normally hurt the ride quality enough to discourage anybody who holds hard cornering, handling, and the possibility of either autocrossing or track day sessions high enough on the list of priorities going in. Stiffer springs and bars will tend to make the ride firmer rather than harsher, mostly over the larger bumps encountered. It's the amount of suspension movement that determines spring and bar forces. Harshness comes from the amount of shock damping present, mostly when a bump forces the suspension to compress rapidly. Here, it's the speed of suspension movement (and the valving) that dictates the damper forces, and maximum suspension speed (max shock force) happens a little sooner than maximum displacement (max spring & bar forces). I would not be surprised if 1LE damping is just a little different than regular SS damping. Just having a bigger stabilizer bar might be enough to force such a change, never mind the more neutral handling behavior intended. None of these changes from the basic SS level should be a deal-breaker for anybody who places a priority on corner-carving. Like it's been said, it's a package for the 2%-ers among us (implying that it really might not be for everybody, which is OK too). Norm Last edited by Norm Peterson; 09-07-2012 at 09:02 AM.

09-07-2012, 08:45 PM	#45
SUKXOST Do you even lift, bro? Drives: 2013 1LE Camaro Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 3,159 View My Garage	^^^agreed. It will definitely be noticeable and "better" as far as performance. I'm quite sure it's not going to be like driving a Stagecoach on cobblestone roads during an earthquake. __________________ My 1LE (645WHP/597WTQ) build/journal Thread: 1st ever 1LE COTW http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255461

09-07-2012, 09:45 PM	#46
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	Very well explained Norm...Thank You. In the end, if a person finds this car harsh for them, they are not the 2%ters. __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.

10-08-2012, 07:09 AM	#50
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,136 View My Garage	One could always upgrade to adjustable coilovers. I have been contemplating this, I have Pedders XAs and I am not sure if I should swap them to the 1LE, get new coilovers for the 1LE, or keep the stock ones. __________________ Used Racing Brake 2 Peice Rotors for sale: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344754 Summit White 2014 2SS 1LE Recaros, NPP exhaust, Nav 2010 2SS A6 - sold.

10-09-2012, 05:09 PM	#52
dcplus14 Drives: '12 Camaro 2SS/RS/Hurst Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 480 View My Garage	I installed the 1LE sways over the weekend. Honestly, I prefer this ride feel to stock. Doesn't seem harsh at all. Now, couple that with the improved dampening in the 1LE and tires, that may be a different beast that I cannot speak to. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS: Black on Black, Hurst [AAC DRL LED's, AAC LED's for trunk, cabin, license plate, CAI Intake, RX Catch Can, Skip shift eliminator, Pedders Sub-Frame Inserts, Pedders Radius Rod Inserts, Pedders Rack & Pinion Bushing, 1LE front and rear sway bars]

10-07-2012, 06:24 PM	#47
2008yellow Drives: 2013 blue Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: pa. Posts: 94	Thanks for explaining somme about shocks. My stick Camaro is supposed to be here this week and I like the stiffer ride, TAUT as I was told

10-08-2012, 12:28 AM	#48
charlie46 Drives: 2013 camaro 1le Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: staten island Posts: 451	I always felt that a car with firm suspension feels more special when you drive it. If i wanted a car that drives like a caddy i would have bought one!

10-08-2012, 04:54 AM	#49
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	I was going to order on and told Fbodfather about it and John F. They both new it would be my daily driver like the Bee is and said DO NOT DO IT. Unless of coarse I wanted new kidneys and wanted to buy them often. The car is setup for the track not as a daily driver. I said well I could handle the harder ride but my wife and enjoy going to Camaro club cruises and I did not want to turn of from going if the car rode that hard.

10-09-2012, 08:25 PM	#55
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,136 View My Garage	It isnt the sway bars taht will make the ride more harsh, it is the strut dampers. __________________ Used Racing Brake 2 Peice Rotors for sale: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344754 Summit White 2014 2SS 1LE Recaros, NPP exhaust, Nav 2010 2SS A6 - sold.

10-09-2012, 08:59 PM	#56
dangjohnny Drives: ‘21 ZL1 1LE 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Floribama Posts: 622	The 1LE is manual only right? If so, Badass! 1LE>ZL1 __________________ ZL1 1LE Black - 6MT - PDR - Nav - Michelin PS4s