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warrior18 · 11-07-2011, 09:17 AM

Is there a GMPP catback exhaust for the v8 camaro or is it only axleback?
If there is a full catback system, what is the part number? I did a search on
this forum but didnt get a clear answer. Thanks in advance for any info!

DuhKoDuh · 11-07-2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrior18

Is there a GMPP catback exhaust for the v8 camaro or is it only axleback?
If there is a full catback system, what is the part number? I did a search on
this forum but didnt get a clear answer. Thanks in advance for any info!

have you searched google? or gm parts stores?

JWoj3540 · 11-07-2011, 11:43 AM

i'm almost positive that there is ONLY an axle-back option

nancygrl · 11-07-2011, 12:29 PM

GMPP is only available in axleback. However; if you want the same exhaust in full catback look at Borla S-type and/or Touring. That's who make it for GMPP. Theres only a couple of differences, the name stamped on the outside of the mufflers (Borla vs GMPP), the name on the top of the exhaust tip (Borla vs. Chevy Bowtie logo). If you really need to have the GMPP and want full catback without cutting, you can get the Borla V8 x-pipe mid section, check out http://www.lmperformance.com/66636/119.html

20camaro12 · 11-08-2011, 11:30 PM

nancygrl, I would love to see some facts of Borla making GMPP parts. They are completely different construction and material. Someone posted that Borla makes SLP products and I got an email from both manufacturers stating they do NOT have anything to do with each other. From BORLA themselves, "Good Afternoon J,
Thanks for your interest in our products! We do not make exhaust or exhaust parts for SLP. " SLP wrote and told me that they make ALL parts from the ground up. Borla is 304 steel and SLP/GMPP/Flowmaster/Magnaflow/Gibson are all 409 stainless steel or aluminized stainless steel. So if someone was to try to compare and say that anyone with similar designs or material are made by one company, that is a false accusation. Even if they get their materials from the same supplier, that does NOT mean that one company makes parts for another company.

mrvenicess · 11-09-2011, 07:03 AM

Call up David Borla. He told me the exhaust they make for GMPP is exactly the same as their own brand. GMPP off road, Borla S, GMPP street, Borla touring. Same systems different logos is all.

20camaro12 · 11-09-2011, 08:10 AM

Why would a high end manufacturer risk their reputation on a lesser product? Borla is considered one of the higher end exhaust companies using 304 steel for their products. Why would they want to stoop to a lower level and make a product that doesn't live up to their reputation? That doesn't make sense. Things don't add up. If you set your standard, as borla has, you don't compromise it by making some crappy thing on the side.

If borla is making GMPP exhaust, then they need to re-evaluate their system. GMPP exhaust is guaranteed to add something like 20 horsepower, just with the mufflers. That is right off their advertisement and lead technician from the chevy dealership I bought my car. Understand they can be blowing smoke up my ass, as I do believe dealerships like to do, but when you have a lead technician of over 25 years that is fully knowledgable about all sorts of products laying his reputation on the line, it is REALLY hard to not believe him. I do take everything with a grain of salt, and still will not purchase either system because the tone is not what I am looking for.

nancygrl · 11-09-2011, 08:26 AM

Advertising is just that, they all promise but rarely deliver. I had the Borla Touring on my 2010 SS, and directly compared with the GMPP. They looked and sounded identical except for the badging.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19283

Pulled right from Borla's website.
Chevrolet pulled all the stops to ensure the re-launch of the legendary Camaro was worth the wait to agonized fans, and the world’s most winning exhaust has responded in kind. Rather than simply work from concept vehicles and drawings, BORLA® RD engineers headed down under to the GM Holden facility in Australia to work directly with the GM Camaro team. The result of this exciting collaboration is a series of exhaust systems including Cat-Backs,™ rear sections and long-tube headers, providing the ultimate in tuned performance, sound, style and fitment.

20camaro12 · 11-09-2011, 09:58 AM

"cat-back, rear section and long tube headers" all which BORLA makes. Never says anything about working with the performance parts section to create a muffler system for them. They worked with the GM Camaro team, completely different section. But if you listen to Dave Borla about the ATAK system he never says anything about going to Australia, rather ALL systems are built in house and tuned specifically for each vehicle. Personal opinion, research and directly asking the people themselves, none of it has shown up that Borla makes any more exhaust systems than their own. I could be asking the wrong people though. I mean who knows better than the manufacturer themselves. (SARCASM).

That thread also says nothing about BORLA making GMPP axle back exhaust, other than someone saying "I thought" "I figured".... Common. BORLA is a much higher class exhaust system than GMPP. One is out to make as much money as possible without real improvements, GMPP vs one to make money, but deliver an amazing product, BORLA.

SGOS252382 · 11-09-2011, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20camaro12

"cat-back, rear section and long tube headers" all which BORLA makes. Never says anything about working with the performance parts section to create a muffler system for them. They worked with the GM Camaro team, completely different section. But if you listen to Dave Borla about the ATAK system he never says anything about going to Australia, rather ALL systems are built in house and tuned specifically for each vehicle. Personal opinion, research and directly asking the people themselves, none of it has shown up that Borla makes any more exhaust systems than their own. I could be asking the wrong people though. I mean who knows better than the manufacturer themselves. (SARCASM).

That thread also says nothing about BORLA making GMPP axle back exhaust, other than someone saying "I thought" "I figured".... Common. BORLA is a much higher class exhaust system than GMPP. One is out to make as much money as possible without real improvements, GMPP vs one to make money, but deliver an amazing product, BORLA.

Going way back a couple years ago when the GMPP offroad axle back first came out. If you put the two exhausts (Borla S type and GMPP off road axle back) side by side they looked identical with the exception of the exhaust tips.
In addition, the GMPP off road axle back and the Borla S type sound basically the same.
That's where a lot of this came from.

I don't know if anything's been changed over the past 2 years, but the bends/welds,mufflers looked basically the same (GMPP off road and Borla S type).

Maybe GM used a Borla S type exhaust as their model.

SGOS252382 · 11-09-2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvenicess

Call up David Borla. He told me the exhaust they make for GMPP is exactly the same as their own brand. GMPP off road, Borla S, GMPP street, Borla touring. Same systems different logos is all.

I missed this post. That confirms it.
That's what we've all thought for the past couple years.

Seventh Camaro · 11-09-2011, 03:31 PM

Don't know all the details listed in the above posts, but I have the GMPP axle back on my SS and love it. Perfect tone/volume for us older guys. Some of the other exhausts with catback get pretty loud.

nancygrl · 11-09-2011, 04:50 PM

Whatever!

20camaro12 · 11-09-2011, 09:09 PM

I stand corrected. Borla does in fact make the GMPP exhaust to GM's specifications. "We do make the Camaro exhaust for GM High Performance. Those systems are built to GM’s specs, which are different from our Borla Camaro exhaust systems that we designed. Hope that helps to clarify." Why GM or chevy would outsource this when they could make it themselves cheaper and make more money is beyond me. At least the money is keeping US people employed. BUY U.S., not cheap knock offs.

11-07-2011, 09:17 AM	#1
warrior18 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 21	GMPP EXHAUST Is there a GMPP catback exhaust for the v8 camaro or is it only axleback? If there is a full catback system, what is the part number? I did a search on this forum but didnt get a clear answer. Thanks in advance for any info!

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11-07-2011, 11:43 AM	#3
JWoj3540 Drives: 2012 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 696	i'm almost positive that there is ONLY an axle-back option

11-07-2011, 12:29 PM	#4
nancygrl 雪の玉 Drives: '22 Z71 RST Silverado Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Posts: 3,415	GMPP is only available in axleback. However; if you want the same exhaust in full catback look at Borla S-type and/or Touring. That's who make it for GMPP. Theres only a couple of differences, the name stamped on the outside of the mufflers (Borla vs GMPP), the name on the top of the exhaust tip (Borla vs. Chevy Bowtie logo). If you really need to have the GMPP and want full catback without cutting, you can get the Borla V8 x-pipe mid section, check out http://www.lmperformance.com/66636/119.html

11-08-2011, 11:30 PM	#5
20camaro12 Drives: 2012 45th anniv. Convertible SS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 321 View My Garage	nancygrl, I would love to see some facts of Borla making GMPP parts. They are completely different construction and material. Someone posted that Borla makes SLP products and I got an email from both manufacturers stating they do NOT have anything to do with each other. From BORLA themselves, "Good Afternoon J, Thanks for your interest in our products! We do not make exhaust or exhaust parts for SLP. " SLP wrote and told me that they make ALL parts from the ground up. Borla is 304 steel and SLP/GMPP/Flowmaster/Magnaflow/Gibson are all 409 stainless steel or aluminized stainless steel. So if someone was to try to compare and say that anyone with similar designs or material are made by one company, that is a false accusation. Even if they get their materials from the same supplier, that does NOT mean that one company makes parts for another company.

11-09-2011, 07:03 AM	#6
mrvenicess Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 auto Join Date: May 2010 Location: Venice Fl Posts: 1,443 View My Garage	Call up David Borla. He told me the exhaust they make for GMPP is exactly the same as their own brand. GMPP off road, Borla S, GMPP street, Borla touring. Same systems different logos is all.

11-09-2011, 08:10 AM	#7
20camaro12 Drives: 2012 45th anniv. Convertible SS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 321 View My Garage	Why would a high end manufacturer risk their reputation on a lesser product? Borla is considered one of the higher end exhaust companies using 304 steel for their products. Why would they want to stoop to a lower level and make a product that doesn't live up to their reputation? That doesn't make sense. Things don't add up. If you set your standard, as borla has, you don't compromise it by making some crappy thing on the side. If borla is making GMPP exhaust, then they need to re-evaluate their system. GMPP exhaust is guaranteed to add something like 20 horsepower, just with the mufflers. That is right off their advertisement and lead technician from the chevy dealership I bought my car. Understand they can be blowing smoke up my ass, as I do believe dealerships like to do, but when you have a lead technician of over 25 years that is fully knowledgable about all sorts of products laying his reputation on the line, it is REALLY hard to not believe him. I do take everything with a grain of salt, and still will not purchase either system because the tone is not what I am looking for.

11-09-2011, 08:26 AM	#8
nancygrl 雪の玉 Drives: '22 Z71 RST Silverado Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Posts: 3,415	Advertising is just that, they all promise but rarely deliver. I had the Borla Touring on my 2010 SS, and directly compared with the GMPP. They looked and sounded identical except for the badging. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19283 Pulled right from Borla's website. Chevrolet pulled all the stops to ensure the re-launch of the legendary Camaro was worth the wait to agonized fans, and the world’s most winning exhaust has responded in kind. Rather than simply work from concept vehicles and drawings, BORLA® RD engineers headed down under to the GM Holden facility in Australia to work directly with the GM Camaro team. The result of this exciting collaboration is a series of exhaust systems including Cat-Backs,™ rear sections and long-tube headers, providing the ultimate in tuned performance, sound, style and fitment.

11-09-2011, 09:58 AM	#9
20camaro12 Drives: 2012 45th anniv. Convertible SS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 321 View My Garage	"cat-back, rear section and long tube headers" all which BORLA makes. Never says anything about working with the performance parts section to create a muffler system for them. They worked with the GM Camaro team, completely different section. But if you listen to Dave Borla about the ATAK system he never says anything about going to Australia, rather ALL systems are built in house and tuned specifically for each vehicle. Personal opinion, research and directly asking the people themselves, none of it has shown up that Borla makes any more exhaust systems than their own. I could be asking the wrong people though. I mean who knows better than the manufacturer themselves. (SARCASM). That thread also says nothing about BORLA making GMPP axle back exhaust, other than someone saying "I thought" "I figured".... Common. BORLA is a much higher class exhaust system than GMPP. One is out to make as much money as possible without real improvements, GMPP vs one to make money, but deliver an amazing product, BORLA.

11-09-2011, 03:31 PM	#12
Seventh Camaro Drives: 2022 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 144	Don't know all the details listed in the above posts, but I have the GMPP axle back on my SS and love it. Perfect tone/volume for us older guys. Some of the other exhausts with catback get pretty loud.

11-09-2011, 04:50 PM	#13
nancygrl 雪の玉 Drives: '22 Z71 RST Silverado Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Posts: 3,415	Whatever!

11-09-2011, 09:09 PM	#14
20camaro12 Drives: 2012 45th anniv. Convertible SS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 321 View My Garage	I stand corrected. Borla does in fact make the GMPP exhaust to GM's specifications. "We do make the Camaro exhaust for GM High Performance. Those systems are built to GM’s specs, which are different from our Borla Camaro exhaust systems that we designed. Hope that helps to clarify." Why GM or chevy would outsource this when they could make it themselves cheaper and make more money is beyond me. At least the money is keeping US people employed. BUY U.S., not cheap knock offs.