Pedders or PFADT?

[JHall651]

I am about to do a pretty large suspension upgrade and was wondering if there is any difference in quality / performace in Pedders or PFADT? I am going to do:

Full Poly Bushings swap out
Coilovers
Front and Rear Sway bars
Front and Rear End Links
Trailing Arms
Rear Tie Rods

What do you guys recommend? Any Pros or Cons to either?

[Jayrcr3]

Flip a coin. They are both great companies.

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[JHall651]

Does anyone know if the All aluminum sub frame bushings from PFADT transmit more road noise than the Pedders EP1201HD? I am trying to still maintain some comfort and drivability to the car (my daily driver). FYI I want this car to feel like it is on rails and corners amazing but I also do not want to sacrifice TO MUCH comfort. I miss the the cornering and feel of my Mitsubishi Evolution if that gives anyone an idea of my goal. Which one of these two options do you think is more what I am looking for? Or do you think I am way off/over doing it and should just piece together a few items for my own kit?

PFADT Road Racing Kit stage 4
http://www.pfadtracing.com/catalog/p...roducts_id/212

or

Pedders Track 2 Xa
http://www.peddersusa.com/product/Ca...a/default.aspx

[JHall651]

Bump...any help?

[midnighter]

Holy God those kits are expensive. I think I will keep mine stock. I read that lowering springs alone are bad news so no on those as well. Good luck on which ever one you go with.

[kobSS]

A lot of things will go into your level of ride comfort. Everything from lowering to tires, to wheels. From my personal experience my Pfadt aluminum sub frame bushings have a minimal affect on any increase in road noise or discomfort. My car is my DD and i still find it comfortable, but fun. The low-pro tires on my 22's are what cause noise and discomfort (when I have them on)

I also have the new Pfadt feather-light coilovers, trailing arms, toe links, ZL1 sways, and a couple other bits. I've had my setup for a few weeks now and as everything settles in more and more, it is more and more comfortable. The best part is, when you want it, the aggressive track setup can be easily achieved. The team at Pfadt is great to work with in answering any questions you may have. Not to mention - their parts are very aesthetically pleasing.

I'm installing some pedders radius arm inserts hopefully in the next day or so. Hoping to see some good results with these based on the threads i've read. Pete and Pedders have a lot of on track experience with these camaros as well. I think a balance of both companies could produce a killer setup.

[axis]

From what i've read from peoples reviews on the aluminum subframe bushings, they don't transmit as much noise as you'd think. There's several other places that absorb the road vibration as well. They are quite expensive but they are machined out of a chunk of aluminum and will absolutely NOT give.

Lowering springs being bad news is a joke. If you go too low, you can bounce off the bump stops and the ride suffers. As long as you don't drop more than 1.25in or so, you're fine. There's LOTS of cars running the Pfadt 1.25in drop springs without a problem. Same goes for Pedders. Both are great companies with great customer service. Pick the one you like and pull the trigger. You're never going to get the feel of the EVO from your Camaro. They're totally different cars and you can't simulate the feel of AWD coming out of a corner. The power band is also drastically different and that plays a huge role in getting back on the throttle. You can get your Camaro to corner well and feel good through the curves though.

[JHall651]

Thx for the great info kob and axis. I do like the look of PFADT. I think I will be going with the PFADT Road Racing Kit Stage 4 dropping coilovers 1", 20" TSW Nrings 10" & 9" w/ 35 offset front and rear with Nitto Invos 275 & 315. I think that will give me the feel and performance I'm after. I guess I can start doing burn outs on the 7k mile PZeros now. I have always babied them so they are still like new but I'm going to put winter tires on my stock rims now.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by JHall651

Does anyone know if the All aluminum sub frame bushings from PFADT transmit more road noise than the Pedders EP1201HD? I am trying to still maintain some comfort and drivability to the car (my daily driver). FYI I want this car to feel like it is on rails and corners amazing but I also do not want to sacrifice TO MUCH comfort. I miss the the cornering and feel of my Mitsubishi Evolution if that gives anyone an idea of my goal. Which one of these two options do you think is more what I am looking for? Or do you think I am way off/over doing it and should just piece together a few items for my own kit?

PFADT Road Racing Kit stage 4
http://www.pfadtracing.com/catalog/p...roducts_id/212

The Pfadt solid mounts lock in the rear sub frame but you will not notice much in the way of addition noise, vibration, or harmonics. The rear sub frame is one of the few places in this car where you can get away with a solid bushing without making sacrifices. Going with a package is a great way to save some money and make sure you are not going to have interference between parts. We are a Pfadt Forum Authorized Distributor (PFAD) so if you have any questions do not hesitate to hit me up.

[bannonm]

I have the equivalent of the Pfadt stage 4 with the exception of coilovers. Pfadt decided to redesign theirs when I was building up my car so I went with Pedders XAs and have no complaints.

As for the solid subframe bushings I did not notice any more noise than before. Looks like we both have the Borla S-type catback with headers so that alone would drown out any noise from the rear.

The only thing I don't like from Pfadt is their front spherical bearings. I will be swapping them out with Pedders. They are noisy and sound like I have a sway bar loose that is constantly banging around. I contacted Pfadt about this and this is normal. My buddy/installer even talked with the engineer that designed the bearing and said it could take 2,000 miles before the bearing seats in the race sleeve and quiets down. Instructions said a few hundred miles which after 1K miles, mine are as loud as ever. FYI, I started a thread a while back on this and I was not the only one to have this complaint.

[VR Baron]

I have the Pfadt zl1 spec sways and they work great. Also you only need the front end links as you have a 2012 as I do.The car is decidedly more neutral and the car is flat and faster when cornering.Also they are adjustable for bal and stiffness. I notice them in daily driving other then going straight of course though in that they makre the ride a bit more stiff over one wheel bumps,like the shocks were more firm, but the car feels more taut and solid

[Joe@CPR.com]

you will not find a better company to deal w/ than pfadt! their customer service is second to none and have a huge track record w/ the vettes on building great performing race cars.

[PfadtRacing]

We definitely have a strong racing background. Aaron Pfadt, our owner and lead engineer is a NASA National Champion in one of our Corvettes, and we are the engineering expertise behind the Bondurant/BestIT Camaro's in World Challenge. Andy Lee driving one of these cars was able to pull off a 2nd place overall finish for the season in his Pfadt equipped Camaro, against some very seasoned competition from the Real Time Racing team in the Acuras they've been running for years now. What we learn in racing directly trickles down to the parts that we build for street cars, and you don't need to be a race car driver to see how each of our parts is engineered specifically for your Camaro and not adapted from any other chassis.

Here is Andy winning one of the 2 World Challenge races at our home track of Miller Motorsports Park.



Bottom line is we know how to tune both street and race cars, and we strongly feel that our parts are the best available for your Camaro.

One example of how our dedicated engineering staff helps us build better products is our recently redesigned Camaro Coilovers. Our front strut housings are now an ultra strong and extremely light weight aluminum, which is 5lbs per front coilover lighter than our previous coilovers, and a whole 10lbs per front coilover lighter than the factory spring and shock combo. By eliminating that much unsprung weight, as well as moving to an inverted shock with our own proprietary Camaro damping and spring rates you will see a significant increase in confidence on track and during every day street driving. You will also never see one of our parts simply plugged in from another chassis and made to work on the Camaro, each one of our parts is developed specifically for the application that it was intended for.



To specifically answer your question about subframe mounts, they really are very seamless. Aside from the significant increase in performance and stability that you will immediately feel, they don't transmit significantly more road noise or harshness into the cabin. There are other locations in which a solid bushing or bearing may increase harshness, but the Corvette and other performance sports cars have had their subframes solidly mounted to the chassis for years. We are just taking that same idea and adapting it to the Camaro platform.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask! You can reach us at 1-888-972-2464, or me personally at jarrett@pfadtracing.com if you have any questions Camaro suspension related at all.

[2SS45th]

Any reason you are doing that extensive of a suspension rebuild for a street car? Lowering springs would accomplish what you want to do, and save you a ton of money.