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Old 10-20-2012, 03:17 PM   #1
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1LE PCV Oil Separator Kit

I didn't know about this being part of the 1LE package,theres no mention of it in the brochures I've seen....

Camaro 1LE PCV Oil Separator Kit

The increased handling performance of the 2013 Camaro with the 1LE performance package can generate some off-road or track conditions where engine oil can be ingested into the air cleaner through the fresh air tube that connects the port within the right valve cover to the air cleaner. The Chevrolet Performance Positive Crankcase Vent (PCV) oil separator kit can improve this condition. It’s a standard part of the 1LE performance package.

The kit (part number 12653073) is included with other packaged components in the vehicle. It should not be installed during PDI at the dealership. The kit and instructions should be kept in the car. Owners are responsible for installing the oil separator in the car for track use.

The kit is designed for off-road or track use only. The production PCV system should be installed back on the vehicle when driving on public roads.

The kit is not designed for winter driving conditions (ambient temperature should be above 32° F, 0°C).

Kit Contents

The PCV oil separator kit includes:
• Main housing (Fig. 7, A)
• PCV cap/plug (Fig. 7, B)
• Connecting tube (Fig. 7, C)
• Instruction sheet


Fig 7

The kit instructions cover how to remove the PCV tube that features quick connect fittings (Fig. 8), installing the PCV cap/plug over the valve cover PCV port, and installing the PCV main housing in the oil fill neck in the valve cover. (Fig. 9)


Fig 8


Fig 9

For information about other available Chevrolet Performance parts, visit www.gmperformanceparts.com.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:14 PM   #2
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This is the first I've heard of it. We've seen them in pics from magazine reviews but weren't 100% sure they would make production. I wonder why the chose to release this info so late? Oh well, thanks for the info.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:16 PM   #3
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so...it's only for track days, but why? i don't really understand the difference between this and a catch can.

this is also the first time i've heard mention of it being included
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:55 PM   #4
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What a coincidence with both start threads on this minutes apart!!!! Lol. moderators should orobably combine them.

Anyhow, cant wait to see one open to see how it works. I hope its something like the grimmspeed, with the inlet just coming straight from the case in the filler tube.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:57 PM   #5
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Wonder why the temperature restriction? Do the aftermarket catch cans have this same restriction? Never noticed.
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:52 PM   #6
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Wonder why the temperature restriction? Do the aftermarket catch cans have this same restriction? Never noticed.
Yeah, what is with the temperature restriction? And why not use it all the time? I would be interested in someone taking a closer look at that design. *cough*cough*...RX/Tracy....and provide analysis.
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:58 PM   #7
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Yeah, what is with the temperature restriction? And why not use it all the time? I would be interested in someone taking a closer look at that design. *cough*cough*...RX/Tracy....and provide analysis.
Legal reasons, I'd bet more than anything.

Off-Road: I'd bet this part lowers the overall effectiveness of the PCV system...there might be a federal or state reg that requires this to be considered an "off-road" part.

Temperature: If there's even a snowball's chance of oil freezing in the lines of this thing, it would render the PCV system non-operational...which is illegal from the factory. In reality...you start the engine, and as soon as the engine bay warms up - it's working again...
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:57 PM   #8
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Legal reasons...
I think you hit the nail on the head. The .Gov don't play when it comes to emissions.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:23 PM   #9
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This site rocks!! So driving the car hard can cause it to breathe oil. I wonder why?
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Legal reasons, I'd bet more than anything.

Off-Road: I'd bet this part lowers the overall effectiveness of the PCV system...there might be a federal or state reg that requires this to be considered an "off-road" part.

Temperature: If there's even a snowball's chance of oil freezing in the lines of this thing, it would render the PCV system non-operational...which is illegal from the factory. In reality...you start the engine, and as soon as the engine bay warms up - it's working again...
Oil freezing?? Not on this planet. Oil may get extremely thick but won't freeze except for tar oil which is used in making asphalt. This I'm sure is as someone else said is for legal reasons i.e, EPA. Remember if the EPA had its way racing, track days and V8 engines would be out lawed, they don't believe in fun!
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Any downside to leaving this onthe car all the time? It would be interesting to install a fuel glass filter or a catch can in series between the intake and the cap to see how well this thing works.
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This site rocks!! So driving the car hard can cause it the oil. I wonder why?
An engine is Basically a big air pump so inside there is tremendous air pressure that is constantly changing. There are vents usually in the heads to help control the pressure. If the engine could not vent to the outside oil pools or packs up in the valve cover area, which then starves the bottom end which we all know is very bad. Way back in the past cars used to just vent to the outside which was not so good for the environment. Emissions is more than what comes out of the tail pipe.

Now in road racing or track use you are adding g forces that are also pooling oil in the valve cover area. The EPA's way is to plumb lines to vent back to the intake so the engine just sucks the oil in and burns it as part of the normal combustion process. Now remember at low engine rpm not much is happening but at higher rpm is where the action is at.
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Thought the g forces played a part, thanks. I am going to keep this OEM piece in the plastic and install my RX catch can. This is intresting in that GM has at least in a round about way admitted that burning the oil blow-by on track day is not a good idea.
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An engine is Basically a big air pump so inside there is tremendous air pressure that is constantly changing. There are vents usually in the heads to help control the pressure. If the engine could not vent to the outside oil pools or packs up in the valve cover area, which then starves the bottom end which we all know is very bad. Way back in the past cars used to just vent to the outside which was not so good for the environment. Emissions is more than what comes out of the tail pipe.

Now in road racing or track use you are adding g forces that are also pooling oil in the valve cover area. The EPA's way is to plumb lines to vent back to the intake so the engine just sucks the oil in and burns it as part of the normal combustion process. Now remember at low engine rpm not much is happening but at higher rpm is where the action is at.
I knew the above in theory sorta but that was a good explanation, good info man. Thanks.
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This is even better than the separator GM installes on the ZL1, and as for temps, I suspect it is from their legal dept as with all things releases.

This will be effective on the cleanside for sure, but that is responsible for only 2-4% or so of the oil ingestion....the dirty side is where almost all comes from, but use this w/a good catchcan and you have a good combo.

At least GM is doing something about it.

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I won't use at all. Just my RX....but come to think of it.....looks like I might need to buy a normal oil cap
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This is even better than the separator GM installes on the ZL1, and as for temps, I suspect it is from their legal dept as with all things releases.

This will be effective on the cleanside for sure, but that is responsible for only 2-4% or so of the oil ingestion....the dirty side is where almost all comes from, but use this w/a good catchcan and you have a good combo.

At least GM is doing something about it.

Thanks Tracy, both it is then.
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This is even better than the separator GM installes on the ZL1, and as for temps, I suspect it is from their legal dept as with all things releases.

This will be effective on the cleanside for sure, but that is responsible for only 2-4% or so of the oil ingestion....the dirty side is where almost all comes from, but use this w/a good catchcan and you have a good combo.

At least GM is doing something about it.

Can you explain what you mean with clean and dirty sides? Also, how would you set up a catch can with this combo and the other pipe plugrd off?

The oil cap will come with the car since this standard part will probably come in your trunk.
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Can you explain what you mean with clean and dirty sides? Also, how would you set up a catch can with this combo and the other pipe plugrd off?

The oil cap will come with the car since this standard part will probably come in your trunk.
You have to poke around the forum. The catch can subject is covered extensively. And SC2150 is at the forefront of the technology.
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Tx for that link, read that already and many more. I still dont undrerstand why the 1le seperator is only catching 2-4% blow by because it is from the claen side?
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Oil freezing?? Not on this planet. Oil may get extremely thick but won't freeze except for tar oil which is used in making asphalt. This I'm sure is as someone else said is for legal reasons i.e, EPA. Remember if the EPA had its way racing, track days and V8 engines would be out lawed, they don't believe in fun!
Not what I meant. (And I said legal reasons. ) water vapor will also play a part, albeit small...and while oil won't freeze, it does thicken...and the vapors could condense and pool in the low-areas of the tube. I just suggested the effects cold weather could have on this system that they might want to legally stay away from.
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Is this a design flaw with the LS3 engine that you need a catch can or do all engines need this when road racing? (mustang 5.0 ? )
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Is this a design flaw with the LS3 engine that you need a catch can or do all engines need this when road racing? (mustang 5.0 ? )
You don't 'need' one for the engine to operate properly during the warranty period. But many enthusiasts swear by a catch can for maintaining performance as the engine accumulates more miles, as you can read in the numerous threads on the subject we have around here.

All modern engines from the factory have a PCV emissions system that sends excess oil vapor from the crank case into the intake for burning. Each ingests oil in this way to varying degrees. It's not a design "flaw" as it is a design variation.
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Not what I meant. (And I said legal reasons. ) water vapor will also play a part, albeit small...and while oil won't freeze, it does thicken...and the vapors could condense and pool in the low-areas of the tube. I just suggested the effects cold weather could have on this system that they might want to legally stay away from.
I figured that was what you really meant, but you know how some folks on here are, they take everything literal, so the next thing you may have seen posted was "oh no do I need to worry about my engine freezing" now most C5 member know better but there are allot of folks that come here for valuable info, so I just wanted to make sure the record was straight. Now you are totally correct that oil does get thicker or for correctness increases it's viscosity. The of course, effects all cars and is more of a concern of the oil pump and bottom end damage. This is not of as much concern now days with modern oil, but owners should always refer to the owners manual. In any case people in extreme cold climates should know the effect and cause on oil. But for those that were not as much aware should now be. Great discussion!
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