Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I believe you mean 5.4 nat that that's a big difference but that little 5.4 can handle somewhere around 800+ horse seem's pretty damn good to me. If something's not broke, dont fix it.

Espcially if Ford was working on a completely new engine unlike GM wich already have several version's of the engine's they use.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

YOU DID. The point was that you think the Camaro was easy to modify engine wise because of the multiple variants of the LS, but the mustang has been using the 4.6 V8 for the last 10 years.

Of course it was easy to modify. You think they took this long because of using the same engine they do in many other car's and not because of the design.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

if your going to comment then keep up. Of course they need to do something GM has finally stepped up but until then It was'nt broken so WHY fix it.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by meanmike

And that was my point.


Mainly because it seem's that many forget or dont realize this when bashing on the Mustang. I have nothing against the Camaro but I dislike it when people makie it seem like the it has been around all this time and Ford did nothing to compete with it when in all reality that is not the case.

mkay. I can agree with that.

But I can't overlook the fact that they did nothing to improve the cars performance over a 2002 Camaro/Firebird until 2010. Granted, they were no longer in production...but Mustang guys were left with some pretty rotten apples if Ford needed competition to make a decent performance car (excluding GT500).

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

mkay. I can agree with that.

But I can't overlook the fact that they did nothing to improve the cars performance over a 2002 Camaro/Firebird until 2010. Granted, they were no longer in production...but Mustang guys were left with some pretty rotten apples if Ford needed competition to make a decent performance car (excluding GT500).

I agree, but from a finacial standpoint it was probably a good move for them they made a killing and did virtually nothing wich in turn made big $$$$$ for them or at least I would assume.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

if your going to comment then keep up. Of course they need to do something GM has finally stepped up but until then It was'nt broken so WHY fix it.

Ten years for the same engine? You'd think they'd be able to mess with that thing at will and modify very quickly in months don't you think? GM stepped it up back then too since the GTO outperformed it then as well, it just didn't sell as well as the Mustang. I forgot I got to spell things out in this place.

[Vega]

I think we're both trying to make two different points here...

The Ford guy is trying to say that yeah Ford hasnt developed much engine wise in the last few years but then again there was no reason too because the Mustang was the only pony car on the market, so if there's no competition and the market is all yours then why waste money trumping yourself?

The GM guys are trying to say that the LS engines are far more advanced and Ford is stupid for trying to keep up with them with their older engine, when its already been announced that the Coyote is supposed to be the answer to the LS engines...but then again GM is also working on its own new series of engines which would keep them a whole generation ahead anyways

Did this help any?...If you're still confused then think of it this way, Ford is like Xbox and GM is like Playstation...GM/Playstation is a generation ahead and has a superior product because of such, but Ford/Xbox has such an enormous fan base and reputation that they're still competitive even after the fact.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Vega

Did this help any?...If you're still confused then think of it this way, Ford is like Xbox and GM is like Playstation...GM/Playstation is a generation ahead and has a superior product because of such, but Ford/Xbox has such an enormous fan base and reputation that they're still competitive even after the fact.

Oy -- graphics are comparable between the two, and Xbox has the advantage because of it's game library.....I like my Xbox....


Off-topic!! Sorry!!! I should infract myself.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Vega

I think we're both trying to make two different points here...

The Ford guy is trying to say that yeah Ford hasnt developed much engine wise in the last few years but then again there was no reason too because the Mustang was the only pony car on the market, so if there's no competition and the market is all yours then why waste money trumping yourself?

The GM guys are trying to say that the LS engines are far more advanced and Ford is stupid for trying to keep up with them with their older engine, when its already been announced that the Coyote is supposed to be the answer to the LS engines...but then again GM is also working on its own new series of engines which would keep them a whole generation ahead anyways

Did this help any?...If you're still confused then think of it this way, Ford is like Xbox and GM is like Playstation...GM/Playstation is a generation ahead and has a superior product because of such, but Ford/Xbox has such an enormous fan base and reputation that they're still competitive even after the fact.

Very good except that in this catergory the Mustang is more like a Playstation since they both have the bigger fan base.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Oy -- graphics are comparable between the two, and Xbox has the advantage because of it's game library.....I like my Xbox....


Off-topic!! Sorry!!! I should infract myself.

Last time I checked the PS3 had more potential graphics wise, but they hadn't released a game to use the PS3 to it's full capacity! And LS > Coyote to stay on topic lol.

[meanmike]

And look I'm really not trying to play the Mustang's better thing because in all honesty this is my first ever and have only ever owned one other Ford in my life and that is only because I prefered GM design's over Ford at least until recently. However that does'nt mean I did'nt respect them or what they have done. Sure they've made mistake's but so has GM.

[meanmike]

Actually according to Insomniac game's the x-box could'nt handle the graphic's in the Ratchet and Clank series.

[WhiteCrane]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Actually according to Insomniac game's the x-box could'nt handle the graphic's in the Ratchet and Clank series.

Game devs make outrageous claims like that all the time. Food for thought: Insomniac has signed an agreement to only make games for Sony consoles. Perhaps their claims should be taken with a grain of salt.

There's a reason Madden football runs at 60fps on XBOX 360 and 30 fps on PS3.

As a die hard PS3 gamer, I'll be the first to say XBOX 360 has a more powerful ATI designed graphics processor than PS3's Nvidia 7800 trash. The potential will never be reached.

Also want to ask why the following cars don't count as competition for the Mustang prior to the Camaro coming back.

Chrysler / Dodge:
Charger SRT8
Crossfire
Sebring
Challenger SRT8
Magnum
300C
Avenger R/T

Foreign:
Hyundai Tiburon GT
Nissan 350 / 370 z
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT


I suggest all these cars serve as Mustang competitors, however the Mustang has always outsold them because Ford has done a good job appealing to customers. Why fix what isn't broken? The 4.6 liter 300hp engine is impressively fast and efficient. It's only a little behind the Camaro's huge V8 and yet its 100 h/p less.

I strongly prefer the Camaro to the mustang gt for 100 reasons but let me say this. I don't see Ford making any mistakes.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

As a die hard PS3 gamer, I'll be the first to say XBOX 360 has a more powerful ATI designed graphics processor than PS3's Nvidia 7800 trash. The potential will never be reached.

Also want to ask why the following cars don't count as competition for the Mustang prior to the Camaro coming back.

Chrysler / Dodge:
Charger SRT8
Challenger SRT8
Magnum
300C
Avenger R/T

Foreign:
Hyundai Tiburon GT
Nissan 350 / 370 z
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT


I suggest all these cars serve as Mustang competitors, however the Mustang has always outsold them because Ford has done a good job appealing to customers. Why fix what isn't broken? The 4.6 liter 300hp engine is impressively fast and efficient. It's only a little behind the Camaro's huge V8 and yet its 100 h/p less.

I strongly prefer the Camaro to the mustang gt for 100 reasons but let me say this. I don't see Ford making any mistakes.

We've been over this argument. Chevrolet chose the brute force method to get good performance, while the Ford chose a more balanced approach (lighter weight with a smaller engine).