Thinking about turning my Gen 5 Camaro into a race only car

[econ]

Originally Posted by gtstorey

I would look at an older C5 vette maybe as a starting point.

That is another option, but for a variety of reasons, I prefer to keep all my automotive extracurricular activities limited to my 2013 2SS.

1 - I already have it.

2 - My garage isn't big enough for another car and my inner-city property can't have another garage.

3 - I'm perfectly happy to strip down the car I already have.

I understand that there is learning curve to working on a can bus car and I am willing and able to learn it.

[gtstorey]

Originally Posted by econ

We both have big holes in our knowledge if neither of us know how the door handles work.

But I don't need to know at this point and it is not something that is typically needed to know for most modifications. I'm not trying to strip my car down. I have my DF Goblin kit car for that, and even it still has its BCM, ECM and Power Steering Module.

[acutron42]

If there were a top 5 strangest thead section this one would make the cut

[Aqua Blue RS/SS]

No shit. I just want to smash my head thru a wall reading it.

[econ]

Originally Posted by acutron42

If there were a top 5 strangest thead section this one would make the cut

Never knew going stand alone was so strange.

Lots of manufacturers of kits to do this and sales are not lacking.

Maybe Camaro5 is the wrong place to talk about going to a stand alone system on a 5th Gen Camaro.

My bad...

[bsn]

I think what everyone is trying to tell you is you are WAAAY over your head. An electric fuel pump needs a negative and a switched positive preferably through a relay and you will need to install a return line for your regulator-you could even use your stock fuel pump. The fact you don't know something this simple means there is no possible way you could pull this off. Not trying to insult you just stating facts. The factory system is extremely robust and with a high end scanner or the Bosch MDI2 troubleshooting and repairs are as easy or easier than any of the older analog cars.

[acutron42]

An Alldata dyi subscription is $60/year. This will give you all the info you will ever need.

[econ]

Originally Posted by bsn

I think what everyone is trying to tell you is you are WAAAY over your head. An electric fuel pump needs a negative and a switched positive preferably through a relay and you will need to install a return line for your regulator-you could even use your stock fuel pump. The fact you don't know something this simple means there is no possible way you could pull this off. Not trying to insult you just stating facts. The factory system is extremely robust and with a high end scanner or the Bosch MDI2 troubleshooting and repairs are as easy or easier than any of the older analog cars.

Just because I asked for a schematic as to how the other guy did it doesn't mean I don't know that an electric fuel pump needs a neg and a switched pos and that the regulator would need a return. I have wired plenty of electric fuel pumps, not on this car though. I was asking to see how he did it or how he would do it.

Clearly the wrong place for this.

I was expecting more like, "This is how I did it" or "I did it this way, if I could do it over I would have done it that way" or "Never done it but this is how I would do it." And maybe some pics. Very common stuff in internet forums. Not here though.

Oh well. Moving on...

[bsn]

It doesn't matter what kind of analog car, truck, tractor, train or golf cart you have they are all wired the same. Not trying to bust on you, but you haven't a clue-telling you as a friend.

[Tommi]

Originally Posted by gtstorey

I think the door handles are just switches and aren't mechanical, but I've never been into these doors or looked at the service manual to see. I've posted to you before that you need full wiring diagrams at the very least to study this stuff for your answers

The door handles work perfectly when battery is disconnected, they are mechanical.

[econ]

Originally Posted by bsn

It doesn't matter what kind of analog car, truck, tractor, train or golf cart you have they are all wired the same. Not trying to bust on you, but you haven't a clue-telling you as a friend.

Yes, wired the same in the sense that there is +, -, and a switch. But that's not the point. That stuff is obvious and that's not even what I was getting at.

An application specific pic and schematic would show where and how some folks mounted the regulator, part number for regulator, routing of wiring, routing of return line, which wires on the OEM pump were used and what for, and which wires were cut, specialty hardware needed. All the other details. These kinds of things are nice to see. Maybe not essential, but nice. Yes, I could figure out on my own. But that's not the point either.

You seem to think that asking anything means that the asker knows nothing. And you are free to think that. I see it a little differently.

I see asking questions and sharing pics as people with common interests brainstorming and sharing ideas. You clearly have a different view.

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by econ

Yes, wired the same in the sense that there is +, -, and a switch. But that's not the point. That stuff is obvious and that's not even what I was getting at.

An application specific pic and schematic would show where and how some folks mounted the regulator, part number for regulator, routing of wiring, routing of return line, which wires on the OEM pump were used and what for, and which wires were cut, specialty hardware needed. All the other details. These kinds of things are nice to see. Maybe not essential, but nice. Yes, I could figure out on my own. But that's not the point either.

You seem to think that asking anything means that the asker knows nothing. And you are free to think that. I see it a little differently.

I see asking questions and sharing pics as people with common interests brainstorming and sharing ideas. You clearly have a different view.

Then perhaps he needs to download a service manual or buy them and he’d know the schematics. I bought the service manual books for my Camaro and download the free pdf of it. I prefer the books because it’s easier to navigate

[econ]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Then perhaps he needs to download a service manual or buy them and he’d know the schematics.

We were talking about the schematic of a modification. Something that would not be in an OEM service manual.

We were talking about deleting the fuel pump control module, wiring the OE fuel pump to a switched 12 volt source via a relay and a ground. Then installing an aftermarket regulator and return line. Taking the fuel pump out of the can bus and using a stand alone ecu to run the engine. Service manuals would help since one could identify 12 volts and ground for the pump. But we were talking about the schematic and pics for the "finished product" after the modification.

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by econ

We were talking about the schematic of a modification. Something that would not be in an OEM service manual.

We were talking about deleting the fuel pump control module, wiring the OE fuel pump to a switched 12 volt source via a relay and a ground. Then installing an aftermarket regulator and return line. Taking the fuel pump out of the can bus and using a stand alone ecu to run the engine. Service manuals would help since one could identify 12 volts and ground for the pump. But we were talking about the schematic and pics for the "finished product" after the modification.

You’d probably have to talk to an electrical engineer on that one