The RS Package should differ between LT vs SS

[Captain Vlad]

If I pay the same amount of $$ for the RS package whether it comes on the LT, LS, or SS, it damn well ought to be the same for all three models.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by quorum

you seriously think I don't want it? You seriously believe that all our choices in life are one-dimensional? You really are hell-bent on your self-righteous crusade aren't you?

So what do you wear to a job interview?

What do you wear on a date?

I could go all day with this. I am right because the fact of the matter is: we all do something to impress someone. Stop being so self-righteous about it.

Once we admit things for what they are, then we can have rational discussions. Right now it's ridiculous.

You asked the question if anyone thought that if one of the reasons you were getting a Camaro SS was because your wife thought it was hot any you want to impress her as being Shallow... There is no need to call me Self-righteous because of my answer.

[Atcer]

Originally Posted by quorum

Honestly the only ones who want that are people who can't afford the V8. And I'm not saying that to be snooty, it's the way the world should work. If there isn't "nicer" stuff to aspire to, then we'd all be Marxists.

Think about why so many people are excited about the possibility of a Z28 - because it looks different and is therefore more special. What's wrong with the SS looking more special than the V6 I ask?

Dude you need to re-think your life. I am glad it is a free country where people can express their opinons, but you are putting down people because they do not earn the same as you. And if I interprit your commets as such, that you feel you are above them. Yes I own a V6 RS 2LT, but that was my choice, and it was not about the cost or what I make. The V6 has the same horsepower that my 93 Corvette had and more than my 78I Indy Pace Car corvette came from chevy with. I traded in a 2006 Corvette Z51 that had an LS2 not to step down to a V6 RS; because it was not what I could afford, it is what I wanted. My first car was a 68 Camaro RS straight 6, in which I loved till it was stolen some years back.
You really make yourself sound bad, when you think people buy the RS because they are poor or lower middle class, As for me I am glad Chevy brought back the Camaro and its heritage.
I would catagorize you as not a Camaro enthusist but as a POSER since you think money is what makes people who they are and by what they drive.

Enjoy your ride and wish others to do the same no mater what the cost was.
Waiting to place an order for an Orange Z28 in 2011?

[Revo1]

Originally Posted by Atcer

Dude you need to re-think your life. I am glad it is a free country where people can express their opinons, but you are putting down people because they do not earn the same as you. And if I interprit your commets as such, that you feel you are above them. Yes I own a V6 RS 2LT, but that was my choice, and it was not about the cost or what I make. The V6 has the same horsepower that my 93 Corvette had and more than my 78I Indy Pace Car corvette came from chevy with. I traded in a 2006 Corvette Z51 that had an LS2 not to step down to a V6 RS; because it was not what I could afford, it is what I wanted. My first car was a 68 Camaro RS straight 6, in which I loved till it was stolen some years back.
You really make yourself sound bad, when you think people buy the RS because they are poor or lower middle class, As for me I am glad Chevy brought back the Camaro and its heritage.
I would catagorize you as not a Camaro enthusist but as a POSER since you think money is what makes people who they are and by what they drive.

Enjoy your ride and wish others to do the same no mater what the cost was.
Waiting to place an order for an Orange Z28 in 2011?

Well said.

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by quorum

I really don't like it how LT cars can be dressed up with the RS and look almost indistinguishable from the SS/RS. The SS should be the only car with the 20" tires - the LT/RS should have 19" "Midnight Silver" rims. A V6 shouldn't be driving on 20" rims - why would it need them? Furthermore the LT/RS should have a different spoiler, and the HIDS shouldn't have Halos. All these would make the V6 clearly different from the V8 on all sides.

Sorry but I'm not a Communist. The guy paying the higher price should have more rights because he earned that right through working hard for that money. I don't like how GM makes it so easy for someone to cheap out and still get the same look. I suppose the LT/RS folks here will disagree with me but that's because you have that car - if you had the SS/RS you would agree with me. A V8 should look meaner - that's why you get it. It shouldn't look the same!!

Freud had a syndrom for this,,, It was "p$&!s envy" Mine cost more, or is bigger, or is fancier so I am better than you!!! Are you really this willing to come here with this dribble and get owned on this site. This is a site for Camaro Enthusiasts, not for one-up manship. In addition to my 2SS/RS, I ride a Harley Ultra Classic. One of my biggest pet peeves is for a Harley rider to look down upon... (your inference) riders of lesser Harleys, or riders of other bike brands. IMO, we are all riders, some just choose to spend their money differently. I do not begrudge anyone their Camaro, regardless of it's model. I am a motorcycle fan, and a serious Camaro enthusiast.

Originally Posted by quorum

You're not thinking outside the box. Think about if you decided to up your budget to an SS model. What kind of lifestyle changes would you have to make? Quite a bit I imagine which is why you didn't choose the SS. If you had made the lifestyle sacrifices to get the SS because you wanted it, don't you think you DESERVE to get more for your sacrifice?

People think of money as if everybody deserves to get it. Uh no. Work = Time. Time = Money. Life = Time. Therefore Money = Life. You literally spend your life to get money. If you work hard, you deserve the money and therefore you deserve what you can get with it.

This is the most self centered bunch of BS I have read in a long time. Ewwww, look at me, I drive a 2SS/RS, and I'm better than anyone else.

Fact of Life bro... I have no idea what you do for a living, nor do I care... but I can state beyond any doubt, that I have worked harder and held more responsibility in my hands than you have ever dreamed about. I just happened to have chosen a profession that doesn't tend to be held in high regard when it comes to pay scale. It is held in high regard for the internal reward it offers. I was a firefighter/paramedic and I can sleep comfortably knowing that nothing you have ever done is any more.... Stressful, terrifying, or a thousand other adjectives... than that. Should I be limited to an LS, which when I was FF/Medic, was all I would have been able to afford. I retired from that and work now at a job that affords me some higher end things I want, not that make people look at me.. and say wow, he's special. I also do not begrudge people that whether they make changes or not, decide to buy a lessor priced model. Thats a choice. I personally do not want 20 different body styles of the Camaro... Then it would be diluted like the Mustang family...

Originally Posted by quorum

Did I say that? I said a Communist thinks that regardless of what you do, you deserve the same as everyone else. I notice that the people objecting to the reality of my conversation are all LT/SS buyers.

Do you think you deserve to get a Ferrari Enzo by paying $15,000? Come on - lead that logic to the natural conclusion.

I'm objecting to your entire line of thinking... And I bought a 2SS/RS....

Originally Posted by quorum

well exactly! We're not talking about me with my big Ferrari pooh-poohing everyone. We're talking about a differential of only $15000. I'm talking about this from a logical perspective: there should be more to differentiate a V8 from the V6 pure and simple.

I can tell a V6 Mustang from a V8 Mustang at a glance, but I often get mistaken between the Camaros unless I see the mail slot.

Whats the big deal,,, so YOU can't telll the difference without seeing the mail slot... are you trying to determine if you need to look level at them or down the nose at them...The reason people like you tell the difference at a glance is due to there being 50 or 60 differnt models and revisions out there. most people do not care about the mustang anymore as a wow car... it's seen on every street corner in America and Canada. They are as prolific as Japanese cars...

Originally Posted by quorum

you're making this sound as if this is about judging the quality of people. That's an unfair assessment.

Your last sentence is a contradiction. You say "if you want to make it fancy, do the work" - which is what I'm saying; then you contradict it with "don't expect it". Well heck - I'm paying more because I expect it to be fancy!

I beg to differ, you make this sound as if you are judging people by the size of their engine... If the shoe fits... I can seriously say I am glad you live where you do... but I bet the people in Oshawa who build this awesome car are cringing...

Originally Posted by quorum

1) I wear clothes that have no labels. I don't believe in advertising for someone for free
2) This is not about shoving my money in other people's faces. I thought I made that clear. I had to make sacrifices in my life for this car. I want it to be worth it. I want it to be "more special" because of my financial sacrifice.

A simple question: should a person who sacrifices his life for his friends deserve the same medal as someone who fixes tanks?

It isn't free advertising and I find this hard to believe, your entire closet is full of clothes with no identifying labels...??? Oh, did you remember to scrape off the RS and SS and Chevrolet labels, badges, molding etc,... from your car... That's according to you... FREE ADVERTISING...

You are obviously eat up with a Look at me syndrome...Hey, work harder and go buy a Bentley, or a Ferrari, or a Corvette, or any of aniother number of cars available...
And your simple question...You have no clue... Maybe the guy that fix's tanks has a bad day and doesn't fix it correctly... or just doesn't care, and the crew in his tank get beat... well then according to your logic, if he/she fix's it correctly then yes it could be argued that yes, he deserves the same... He saved a life...potentially by doing his job correctly...
True heroes
1.) never ever think of themselves as a hero...
2.) do not want the adulation, admiration or attention that comes with it...

Originally Posted by quorum

still doesn't make sense. Regardless of who you are, if you work to get your money, then you work harder to get an SS vs an LS. Anything more that you want to extrapolate is a judgment on my character. We're not talking about a Ferrari here - I would not shove that in anybody's face. If you can afford an LS, then you can afford an SS - either by working longer and saving more, or by buying second hand. We are all the same here, so the self-righteous condemnation in this thread is misplaced.

Your repeating yourself... Refer back to my first reply, I promise I worked under more stressful situations and in harsher conditions than you ever dreamed about... But there is no need to try and make you understand...I venture your oh, probably in some sort of sales and the most stressful thing you encounter is a sales quota, or the air conditioning or heat being set properly... oh my, where shall we eat today...

Climb down off the high and mighty horse and be happy for anyone, everyone, that is a member of this forum, or is in the EXCLUSIVE Camaro owners, or soon to be, or aspire to be Owners clubs of this car...If not, Please sell the car and buy something you would be happy with...

School Teachers, Police officers, Firefighters, Paramedics, and myriad others may not be able to afford the 2SS/RS but certainly by no means, should that mean they should not drive a nice looking well styled vehicle...

[markbolt]

As much as I love the Camaro, no matter what model. I just can't believe some of the things I read here. I have the 2ss/rs auto, but really some people talk as if this is more than a car.

It's a car, one that 99% of us here have already lost money on, the value dropped the moment we drove it off the lot. So SS/RS/LT who cares.

[Atcer]

[QUOTE=quorum;1170230]Thank-you for that segue.

here is my simple, inexpensive suggestions for GM:

1) different ground effects for the rear
2) 19" wheels for the LT/RS package
3) no halos with the LT/RS HIDs (or different design)

What is listed above is for the RS option not the SS. Do your research. The RS is avaliable on both LT/SS platforms like it was in 67-69. remember GM brought it back following the orginal heritage, you should respect that, is not about the bling factor for most owners.

[Revo1]

Originally Posted by quorum

Thank-you for that segue.

here is my simple, inexpensive suggestions for GM:

1) different ground effects for the rear
2) 19" wheels for the LT/RS package
3) no halos with the LT/RS HIDs (or different design).

In other words - just simple differences all around the car.

I'm aware that with the aftermarket - you can make your car look like anything you want, and that's okay by me. I just think that the stock mods should be different because that's what you're going to see the most of on the streets.

GM is never going to go by my suggestion, so this topic is purely academic. I'm just ranting.

I lost a ton of money doing aftermarket mods on a car when I sold it, because few people want to pay for aftermarket mods. That's why I'm hesitant to make the same mistake again with my Camaro. The LS is the "base car" so every dollar you spend more than the base car IS a mod, and therefore there should be some visible benefit to the mod. I want the car to look progressively hotter for every $ I spend. Every aftermarket mod is an aesthetic improvement, whether it be sound, looks or feeling.

My bemoan is that the LT/RS looks virtually the same as the SS/RSS except for one thing: the bumper. Just like those of you who bought the RS package for your LT want your car to look hotter than an LS, I also want my SS/RS to look hotter than a LT/RS - so I'm using the same logic.

You do realize that it's not WHAT you are saying that's getting negative responses, as much as HOW you are saying it. This thread could have been very docile, had it not been for your condescending attitude...

[Angrybird 12]

Ok, Reasions I am buying a 1LT and not a 2SS/RS.

1. I don't need 426 HP
2. I don't need the brembo brakes
3. I don't need the high performance handling
4. I don't need hid lights or halos
5. I don't need leather seats
6. I don't need the aux guage package
7. I don't need the Sub woofer
8. I don't need the emblems.
9. I don't need to impress anyone with the sound of a V8 engine
10. I don't need to spend 40K to get a car I enjoy
11. I WANT a V6 for the 304HP and 29MPG
12. I WANT a 1 LT instead of a LS because it comes with a couple things not available or optional with the LS (fog lights, Alloy Wheels, Carpeted floor mats, and powered driver's seat)
13. I JUST WANT A NEW CAMARO!!!!!!


All Camaros are great, and instead of putting people down for not spending the extra money for an SS or SS/RS be happy for them.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Ok, Reasions I am buying a 1LT and not a 2SS/RS.

1. I don't need 426 HP
2. I don't need the brembo brakes
3. I don't need the high performance handling
4. I don't need hid lights or halos
5. I don't need leather seats
6. I don't need the aux guage package
7. I don't need the Sub woofer
8. I don't need the emblems.
9. I don't need to impress anyone with the sound of a V8 engine
10. I don't need to spend 40K to get a car I enjoy
11. I WANT a V6 for the 304HP and 29MPG
12. I WANT a 1 LT instead of a LS because it comes with a couple things not available or optional with the LS (fog lights, Alloy Wheels, Carpeted floor mats, and powered driver's seat)
13. I JUST WANT A NEW CAMARO!!!!!!


All Camaros are great, and instead of putting people down for not spending the extra money for an SS or SS/RS be happy for them.

you just skeered. j/k

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

you just skeered. j/k

Not Skeered, just retired and broke...

[rowerybo]

Originally Posted by Sir Nuke

Its very easy to see you have an affliction, or condition, its obvious you have cranialanalialinsertous.

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we call that rectal-cranial inversion

[coolman]

I have both a v-6 and an ss so what does that make me. I could buy damn near any car I want and I don't give a rats ass what people think. I buy them for me ,and because I love cars. If you need to show people how much money you got why don't you buy a hennessey or a lingenfelter? I would bet your biggest problem is that you think you make more money than most and you thought you would justify it by buying and SS . Then you found out a whole lot of people can do it too. So, now your not the big shot you thought you were.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Not Skeered, just retired and broke...

uh huh.



I think the difference is just fine. you have the SS styling and plus the RS package is cheaper for the SS. you're buying a package.