Shelby GT500 Hurst Challenger Camaro ?????

[MajorTom]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

That's a Millenia "S" dude..it's supercharged!! A little respect!!

I see. Heh. Badass then.

[camarodude21]

i must say that the camaro is gonna be the fastest, and probaly the best looking, the v6 camaro will be as fast as the mustang gt and the challenger, lol, so imagine the v8 camaro ss...then couple years later, NOW IMAGINE THE V8 CAMARO Z28!!!!!480-520HP!!!

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by MajorTom

They want it to be official. Which is understandable. But there's more to a Z/28 than a supercharger. And little mods? The beauty of a factory made car like that is the manufacturer makes the chassis a more competent package made to handle that power. The car will handle competently, ride competently without being jarring. The manufacturer makes the total package. An aftermarket job will just be a SS with 550hp and that will make it hard to handle.



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yeah i understand to make it under warranty and bla bla. do you know how much money you can save by making your own gt500 killer? not counting just motor mods but there are a lot of suspension mods you can do that are better than stock. sway bars, springs, shocks, bushings. and motor unlimited amount of things to do. head cam package, blower, pistons, full exhaust systems and not to mention the combinations of wheel and tire packages. if chevy doesnt build the "z28" then lingenfelter or someone will and they have a warranty with their packages.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by camarodude21

i must say that the camaro is gonna be the fastest, and probaly the best looking, the v6 camaro will be as fast as the mustang gt and the challenger, lol, so imagine the v8 camaro ss...then couple years later, NOW IMAGINE THE V8 CAMARO Z28!!!!!480-520HP!!!

Well you see, the V6 won't be as fast as a Mustang GT, lack of torque and an extra couple hundred pounds will do that. It will be a close race with the R/T Challenger though.

[bazguitarman]

I may be missing out on something here, but isn't this the way it has always been. The progression of performance upgrades is the way the muscle car "wars" have always been. Did everyone here miss the 60's and 70's?

First Ford brings out the Mustang. Then Chevy ups the stakes with the Camaro. Mopar is doing their thing. The other GM brands are doing their thing. One year it's 275 hp. The next year it's 325. Then the competitor jumps up with more cubes and a new body style. Then the cycle starts al over again with big blocks. That was the coolest thing about the hp wars.

Ford did not start out with the "Cammer" motors. Mopar didn't start out with the big block Hemi. Chevy didn't start out with the LS6. It was a progression over the years.

Why would it be any different now?

If Chevy does a 500 hp Z28 right from the start, what are they going to do next? How far do you honestly think the modern horsepower wars are going to go? C'mon, we are not going to end up with 1000 hp muscle cars. Things have to start at a reasonable point.

422 hp backed by a 6M or 6A and a new IRS is going to be an awesome car. Better than anything we've ever had from the factory. I gotta say, I'm pretty freaking excited about that and honestly don't care about the next step right now.

[MajorTom]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

yeah i understand to make it under warranty and bla bla. do you know how much money you can save by making your own gt500 killer? not counting just motor mods but there are a lot of suspension mods you can do that are better than stock. sway bars, springs, shocks, bushings. and motor unlimited amount of things to do. head cam package, blower, pistons, full exhaust systems and not to mention the combinations of wheel and tire packages. if chevy doesnt build the "z28" then lingenfelter or someone will and they have a warranty with their packages.

I understand all that. It'd be cheaper to make your SS into a supercharged monster. And while I know you can get suspension components, the package won't be a tried and true package that GM tests on the nurburgring and the like for thousands of miles to make sure it's a composed enough package to warrant production by GM. For example, the GT500 is does everything the base GT does but like... times 10. GM would do the same thing with a Z28 only it would most likely kick the ass of the GT500 too. A company like lingenfelter would put all the right parts on, but GM would test and test and test to make sure they produce a product that will reflect well on their company name.

No point in beating a dead horse though.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by MajorTom

I understand all that. It'd be cheaper to make your SS into a supercharged monster. And while I know you can get suspension components, the package won't be a tried and true package that GM tests on the nurburgring and the like for thousands of miles to make sure it's a composed enough package to warrant production by GM. For example, the GT500 is does everything the base GT does but like... times 10. GM would do the same thing with a Z28 only it would most likely kick the ass of the GT500 too. A company like lingenfelter would put all the right parts on, but GM would test and test and test to make sure they produce a product that will reflect well on their company name.

No point in beating a dead horse though.

ive built a few suspension on cars and i never tested them on the autobahn but ill guarantee i would have smoked alot of cars out there that had the stock bad ass suspension. thats why these company's make "kits". the suspension components are tested together and as long as you do them the way they say, its alot better than stock. you dont have to do alot of testing to guess that a bigger sway bar is better than a smaller one.

[MajorTom]

A bigger sway bar may be better but too big may cause the body to be too tight and 3 wheel a corner, lifting a wheel off the ground and thus keeping the cars inside tires from being planted thus reducing stability. That's an extreme case, but tuning sway bars takes a bit more thought than what you claim.

[Milk 1027]

Why are people comparing the SS V.S. the GT500
Shouldn't it be V8 Mustang V.S. V8 Camro and
Mustang GT V.S. SS Camaro ?
seeing as that's the equivalent.

[Z/28orSs]

the srt8 does not deserve to be compared to a ls3.. i dont know why you guys ( camaro faithfuls) are letting this happen

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by MajorTom

A bigger sway bar may be better but too big may cause the body to be too tight and 3 wheel a corner, lifting a wheel off the ground and thus keeping the cars inside tires from being planted thus reducing stability. That's an extreme case, but tuning sway bars takes a bit more thought than what you claim.

im just giving examples of improvements you can do to make your own z28.. chill out. yes i understand how suspension components work..thank you.other than sway bars(that your stuck on) there are alot of things you can do to make the car better than whatchevy will make. and it has been done. thats why we have after market companies that make these things. becasue alot of them are better than OEM.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Why are people comparing the SS V.S. the GT500
Shouldn't it be V8 Mustang V.S. V8 Camro and
Mustang GT V.S. SS Camaro ?
seeing as that's the equivalent.

the gt insnt even a match for the camaro. its closer to race the gt500 than it is the gt. i remember a article i read about the gt500 against an 06 z51 vette. just a regular vette against a supercharged mustang. the vette destroyed the gt500 in every aspect of the race. 0-60, slolum,braking, 60ft time,1/4 mile and 0-100mph. it was a hell of alot better. the camaro will be a very close competator to the gt500 IMO. alot better of a race than a gt vs. ss

[Milk 1027]

i thought you guys were trying to see which one was better. the Camaro would obviously win. But i guess if what you want is a good race then i guess the SS V.S. GT500 would be good

[Mr. Wyndham]

I think what a lot of people are having trouble with is that the Camaro is the first one of the three to really step forward as far as performance in this new "muscle" car wars. So it's on a totally different scale than the other two.

Trim for Trim, it absolutely DESTROYS the competition:
V6 v. V6
SS v. GT / SS v. RT

So there's more than a few people who are comparing the cars based on performance, and not their place in the lineup. Apparently to make things a little more 'fair'.

V6 v. GT / V6 v. RT
SS v. GT500 / SS v. SRT8

Honestly, there's not much to talk about if we don't do this.