The Camaro is causing Ford to lay off workers at the Mustang plant

[chain1]

Originally Posted by Memaat

There are only two types of people period. Your either mustang or camaro. There is no switching back and forth. To insinuate mustang buyers are being converted to camaro buyers is a huge stretch of the imagination. Nobody lost a job either as they will just shuffle workers around the local area to other plants or assembly lines. I pushed my Chevy mini-van past the mustang dealer for over two years waiting for a camaro. I never glanced over at the mustangs once...not once.

I'd hate to live in the tiny cave you call your world. There are actually quite a few people out there (myself included) who appreciate CARS. I'm on this site because I was considering picking up a Camaro. I currently have a Mustang. So I guess the reality is that there are more than two types of people.
All I can tell you is that you were missing out on a lot while you were pushing your minivan past the mustang dealership. (or most other dealerships for that matter)

[bpmurr]

I can guarantee the 2011 Mustang will outsell the 2011 Camaro.

Don't believe me just check out Mustang boards. They were pretty dead for the 2010 and now are almost like 2005 with the hype for the 2011.

That first year gotta have hype for the Camaro only lasts so long. I see a lot of them stacked on dealer lots now. The across the board power increase for the Mustang will bring in those sitting on the sidelines. However, with the Challenger and Camaro on the market they take a good slice of the muscle car pie.

Nobody should be happy to see American workers out of a job.

[shawn18]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I can guarantee the 2011 Mustang will outsell the 2011 Camaro.

Don't believe me just check out Mustang boards. They were pretty dead for the 2010 and now are almost like 2005 with the hype for the 2011.

That first year gotta have hype for the Camaro only lasts so long. I see a lot of them stacked on dealer lots now. The across the board power increase for the Mustang will bring in those sitting on the sidelines. However, with the Challenger and Camaro on the market they take a good slice of the muscle car pie.

Nobody should be happy to see American workers out of a job.

Those same people that are" sitting on the sidelines" may also want to wait for the convertible Camaro before buying the new Mustang , I wouldnt go as far as to say I guarantee the mustang will outsell the Camaro next year but the new coyote 5.0 will help it alot I would like to drive one to compare the two just for the hell of it. JMO

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by shawn18

Those same people that are" sitting on the sidelines" may also want to wait for the convertible Camaro before buying the new Mustang , I wouldnt go as far as to say I guarantee the mustang will outsell the Camaro next year but the new coyote 5.0 will help it alot I would like to drive one to compare the two just for the hell of it. JMO

I don't think those waiting for a Camaro vert out weight those waiting for the new 5.0. Keep in mind the V6 has always been the volume seller for the Mustang and I think you'll see in the reviews it's MUCH improved. Maybe even more so than the 5.0 GT.

[shawn18]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I don't think those waiting for a Camaro vert out weight those waiting for the new 5.0. Keep in mind the V6 has always been the volume seller for the Mustang and I think you'll see in the reviews it's MUCH improved. Maybe even more so than the 5.0 GT.

True but that 5.0 is badass IMO my wife has an 06 v6 Mustang and that lineup definately needs some improvments but I still enjoy driving the car , if the new one is as good as they say it should be a homerun

[shawn18]

I just dont get the " my car is better than your car because its built by company x" stuff you see on some of these threads , now I know alot of it is in good fun adn I poke fun at the wife some for her car but she also has a 1LT Camaro , I personally like all of the big 3's modern muscle cars and if I had the spare coin your avatar bpmurr would be in my driveway parked next to my SS

[Variko]

I agree that there are Mustang people and Camaro people. Similar to Coke and Pepsi people. There are many reasons I feel, personally, that that a 2011 Camaro will be better than a 2011 Mustang. That said. If a 2010 Mustang revs his engine next to me at a stop light my heart races a bit, because if it is safe, I CANT let him beat me. When an Acura TL tries to pull away from me at a light...there is no heart racing, or expectations to uphold. I think to myself " you moron, that would be like me racing a ZR1 Corvette." As much as i am not one, God Bless the Ford guys! And God bless the Mopar guys as well. You keep GM honest and willing to make my Camaro.

[shawn18]

Originally Posted by Variko

I agree that there are Mustang people and Camaro people. Similar to Coke and Pepsi people. There are many reasons I feel, personally, that that a 2011 Camaro will be better than a 2011 Mustang. That said. If a 2010 Mustang revs his engine next to me at a stop light my heart races a bit, because if it is safe, I CANT let him beat me. When an Acura TL tries to pull away from me at a light...there is no heart racing, or expectations to uphold. I think to myself " you moron, that would be like me racing a ZR1 Corvette." As much as i am not one, God Bless the Ford guys! And God bless the Mopar guys as well. You keep GM honest and willing to make my Camaro.

Well said

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Memaat

So for me its not picking GM as my favorite manufacturer as well, but rather Blind Loyalty? You like to argue lol.

No. I like to understand. You stated two times very clearly that it's either one brand OR the other...there can be no middle. And that, to me at least....indicates some blind loyalty. I wasn't sure...so I just slipped the phrase in there to see what response I got.

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I can guarantee the 2011 Mustang will outsell the 2011 Camaro.

No you can't.
You can hope, bet, expect, "see"....but not guarantee.

I don't believe for one second that the Mustang is selling in poor numbers due to an engine that the common Joe knows nothing about. That is one part of a bigger machine...and the Mustang way for the past three decades has been to focus on things other than performance, yes? Seemed to work given sales history...so why should this matter?

[MuscleCarz]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No. The Camaro was a Part of the reason...but a very small part.
It sounds like these layoffs were already in the works at that plant.

That's not what the homepage says.

If anyone cares here are some rumors from BON.

The latest rumors point to Mazda wanting the whole plant all to themselves. This is good news for both Ford and Mazda. Mazda gets to expand production in the US and Ford gets to better utilise it's existing capacity.

See, all is not peachy between Ford and Mazda. Since Ford sold some of it's shares for a paltry sum, and Ford is developing small vehicles and engines on it's own around the world, Mazda feels slighted.

Latest Rumor point to either the Mustang going to a retooled Wayne plant after the Focus is moved to MAP, or to Dearborn to be built along side the F-150 (yes, it can be done.) The Wayne rumor is good for that plant and for all of Ford's outlying stamping plants because they would have to pick up the work that was done at the AAI stamping plant. The Rouge rumor is good for the same reasons, but also because it would mean another assembly shift for Kansas City, and some significant investment in Dearborn Stamping.

Now, those are just the rumors. It doesn't matter if it goes to one of the two plants mentioned above, but the Mustang will be moved out of AAI if the Mazda rumor is true. If not, there will have to be a new vehicle moved into AAI to bolster production numbers. Ford is not going to keep an assembly plant on one shift for an extended period of time. It's too expensive to run a plant that way.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Meh, IMO everything in that article screams restructuring. By the end of the process they will be able to bring their stang cheaper, more efficiently, and probably at a better quality. We will see I guess.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MuscleCarz

That's not what the homepage says.

Naturally it wouldn't. We're a Camaro site, no?

But...after the title is does indicate there's more than a single reason for this.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by shawn18

I just dont get the " my car is better than your car because its built by company x" stuff you see on some of these threads , now I know alot of it is in good fun adn I poke fun at the wife some for her car but she also has a 1LT Camaro , I personally like all of the big 3's modern muscle cars and if I had the spare coin your avatar bpmurr would be in my driveway parked next to my SS

I would hope not because it wouldn't be in mine!

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No you can't.
You can hope, bet, expect, "see"....but not guarantee.

I don't believe for one second that the Mustang is selling in poor numbers due to an engine that the common Joe knows nothing about. That is one part of a bigger machine...and the Mustang way for the past three decades has been to focus on things other than performance, yes? Seemed to work given sales history...so why should this matter?

We'll see, come talk to me after 2011 MY sales numbers are final. I stick by my statement the Mustang will outsell the Camaro unless we see some kind of dramatic failure of the US economy. Which is quite possible. Then it really won't matter which one sells more because both manufactures won't be selling many.

The new Mustang motors are going to bring more people into showrooms. Step out of Camaro5 for a minute and check out the rest of the web. Mustang sites have much more activity. A lot of positive comments on neutral car sites. Then when reviews hit and we see the Mustang close the gap and maybe even exceed the Camaro it will bring in more of the general public. Don't forget a lot of these first year Camaro sales come from guys waiting years for a new Camaro. They have their cars now. Will the general public fill that sales void in 2011?

[storm79]

The only good thing about this is that the workers in Oshawa keep their jobs.

But about the workers possibly being rehired when the 5.0 hits. See personally this is what i think. We all car about the motor and the suspension of the Camaro and Mustang and that's because we are car enthusiasts. But it seems to me that non-car enthusiasts only care about the way it looks. I really don't personally expect a huge surge in sales when the 5.0 hits. Maybe i'll be proven wrong but i just don't see it.