Question for the C5 Law enforcement officers

[HotInferno]

No Cop bashing from me, too many friends who are and are on the up and up.
If he pulled you over and used his lights, it is likely if he had a dash cam and all was recorded.
There has been incidents here for those who think they are above the law, had their own dash cams used to prove they were in the wrong.
That is another reason for installing dash cams in the cruisers, to protect everyone involved in situations.
You could subpoena his dash cam to court if he keeps it up and it is ignored by his superiors.
Good luck and stay clean.

[Big Brunsy]

Was stopped once for crowding the yellow line, he met me on the highway. No ticket, but was a royal ass clown. Also was sitting at the truck stop talking with some buddies and he came in and told us we had to disperse or he would write us up for loitering...pretty sure I didn't see any no loitering signs, and truckers sleep there over night in their trucks, but whatever we just left and went to a diff location. Will add my sound recorder on my cell phone to my shortcut menu, and if it happens again I'll be going to the station......thanks for all the advise everyone!!

[chozn4service]

Originally Posted by HDDAN

I am not a cop but I think that it would be very easy to prove. File a report with the internal affairs department at the police station. It is too much of a coincidence not to be harassment.

I have to agree here as well with HDDAN. I'm an officer with the state police in Indiana and I wouldn't think of stopping my ex or her new man.

I would ensure that you always have something to record any stops by this guy on you and I would also file something with the department about your concerns. All about a paper trail. I think it's tacky and in poor taste and lacks professionalism!

[5thGenOwner]

Originally Posted by Big Brunsy

Was stopped once for crowding the yellow line, he met me on the highway. No ticket, but was a royal ass clown. Also was sitting at the truck stop talking with some buddies and he came in and told us we had to disperse or he would write us up for loitering...pretty sure I didn't see any no loitering signs, and truckers sleep there over night in their trucks, but whatever we just left and went to a diff location. Will add my sound recorder on my cell phone to my shortcut menu, and if it happens again I'll be going to the station......thanks for all the advise everyone!!

I would refrain from those types of descriptions. Stick to facts, actions... and word for word what was said. The more civil you act, the more serious you will be taken.

There is good advice on this thread. We are all human, that means none of us are perfect nor do we always do the right thing, no matter our job, our title, etc. In America, no one is above the law!

That being said, most of us don't have a job where we could end up losing our life... on a daily basis. I can imagine there is alot of stress being a police officer, and they should always get our respect... until they have proven otherwise.

[DiverRich]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

In this case, yes I would make the recording, even though it's "illegal". I would still pursue getting the officer disciplined per legal channels, but if things turned ugly (Officer suing me for defamation, my pets starting to mysteriously die)...then I would go to the superiors and say that I had recordings of these actions.

Without the recording, how else could I protect myself. You can argue that technically it is illegal, but personally I think with the widespread use of phone recorders in so many other incidents, that there is precedent for these being used to record illegal actions by police officers in many other states. The officers that beat Rodney King didn't give permission to be recorded, and there are many incidences of actions taking place and being recorded by security cameras as well.

I'd take my chances on recording the illegal actions of a police officer if this was happening...

lol good luck with that. Remember two wrongs don't make a right. And the Rodney King situation is apples and oranges. First, it was a third party at a distance and the laws of California are totally different on this matter. That's why I suggest checking your state's law.

All I'm saying is that it's not worth going to jail and giving someone the ammo they need to put you there. I've seen people try this tactic on Oregon police officers and it always ends up with the citizen being arrested, the recording is barred from being used as evidence against the officer, and the cop gets away with being an ass. This works both ways. I've seen murder convictions overturned because the officer forgot to inform the suspect he was recording the confession.

All one has to do is inform the other person they are being recorded and then (in Oregon at least) there is no illegality. My guess is that once this officer knew he was going to be recorded he would avoid you like the plague. If he's dumb enough to be an ass then he deserves to get hammered.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by DiverRich

lol good luck with that. Remember two wrongs don't make a right. And the Rodney King situation is apples and oranges. First, it was a third party at a distance and the laws of California are totally different on this matter. That's why I suggest checking your state's law.

All I'm saying is that it's not worth going to jail and giving someone the ammo they need to put you there. I've seen people try this tactic on Oregon police officers and it always ends up with the citizen being arrested, the recording is barred from being used as evidence against the officer, and the cop gets away with being an ass. This works both ways. I've seen murder convictions overturned because the officer forgot to inform the suspect he was recording the confession.

All one has to do is inform the other person they are being recorded and then (in Oregon at least) there is no illegality. My guess is that once this officer knew he was going to be recorded he would avoid you like the plague. If he's dumb enough to be an ass then he deserves to get hammered.

I understand that that's the law there in Oregon, but I'd still make the recordings to cover my ass.

Now...this discussion borders on our legal system and all, but the laws restricting these recordings are antiquated in my opinion. Not only that, but it seems that they are not enforced fairly. For example, when you stop someone in Oregon, do you inform the person you've pulled over that the stop is being recorded? If not, why is that allowed when a public citizen is required to do so.

To me, the whole concept of permission to record anothers actions these days is pretty silly. We have tons of public cameras out there from stop light cameras for tickets to security cameras for business'. There is really no such thing as privacy anymore except in your own house/apartment. Everyone has a camera phone.

The laws need to adapt to this new reality. That law in Oregon may need to be changed to reflect this. And, in order to change that law, appeals where recordings like I was referring to above might need to be made. I would consider being able to record an officer a "protection" of my rights, because otherwise it's his word vs. mine.

I trust and respect police officers, but I have also experienced first hand where an officer lied to protect himself as well. Most police officers are great...but as I said earlier, they are human and there are going to be a few bad apples out there as well.

edit: Another thought on this.

Also, once they know you're recording, their behavior will change. This, however, doesn't deal with the problem that perhaps that officer might have been acting inappropriately to begin with....and might do so again to someone else later on down the line...someone who might not record the incident. To me, the officer should be above reproach at all times. If they act honestly, then a secret recording shouldn't matter. I'd hope that all officers should act like they are on camera at all times, don't you think?

[DiverRich]

Well I can't say I disagree with you Steve. I'm not a big fan of the way the law in Oregon is either. Unfortunately, it's what we all have to live with here. And yes, I have to inform people I am recording if I am recording audio. That goes both ways. Generally speaking citizens nor police have to notify for video. And it's not a permission thing. Consent is not required, you just have to inform.

I agree that some officers can be major pricks. Trust me I work with a couple. My whole point is that if the officer is being a jerk and you're breaking the law to prove something that his employer can't legally use agasint him, who wins? No one. The officer gets away with being a jerk and you end up in legal trouble.

As for the appeals process, this issue has been appealed to the Oregon Supreme Court and the United States Supreme Court many times and the courts seem to find the law in compliance with the 4th Amendment and Article 1 Section 9 of the Oregon Constitution. The best way to change the law is for the legislature to change it. Since it was updated and made more restrictive in 2007 I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.

If you really want to make a "secret" recording the best bet (in Oregon) is to call someone on the phone when you get stopped, put it on speaker phone and have that person record the call. Totally legal and now you have a witness too. But again, I caution anyone on this to consult your state's law.

In reality any good cop should expect to be (and act like) they are being recorded at all times. I can't tell you how many times video/audio has saved my ass from BS complaints. Psersonally I wouldn't want to work without a video cam in my car. But, then again, I wouldn't pull over my gf's ex either. (That would totally piss off my wife. )

[Steve Dallas]

DriverRich...do you look at the Northwest section of these boards much? Seeing that you are in Oregon, you might even be interested in the Route 20 cruise I'm semi-organizing. You'd probably need to drive up Friday night to Bellingham, but it'd be cool to have yet another 2010 Camaro join on the drive across the mountains to Winthrop!

[first one]

I had a cop (detective) who was my next door neighbor and he was one of those POWER cops. He kept harrassing me and long story short, I got him suspended for two weeks, he had to change shifts he was working and had to run with a partner for a while. They're not invincible. If he is harrassing you, gain evidence and then go after him. Also, if it's your word against his and like what was already said, he'll win that one, make sure you have witnesses. Even if he is a cop, you'll have three people's word against one.

[CWI]

He already has your ex. Maybe he just wants to get close to your car too.

[DiverRich]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

DriverRich...do you look at the Northwest section of these boards much? Seeing that you are in Oregon, you might even be interested in the Route 20 cruise I'm semi-organizing. You'd probably need to drive up Friday night to Bellingham, but it'd be cool to have yet another 2010 Camaro join on the drive across the mountains to Winthrop!

I'd love to... but I don't have my Maro yet? When is the cruise?

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by DiverRich

I'd love to... but I don't have my Maro yet? When is the cruise?

May 1st.

[Steve Dallas]

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[camarossrs2150]

he is hiding behind his badge . one day maybe not tomorrow or the next day but you will get even and slap the shit out of him .he is a coward .