v8 or nothing

[SQUALO]

I can't believe the talk I'm hearing in this forum...are we not all Camaro (or muscle/sports car) lovers. You should be ashamed of yourselves EVEN comparing the Camaro to imports...especially to family cars.

I think people need to look back in the automotive history books and see the choices of engines, and components that were offerd, and how things progressed through time.

This kind of bashing would never occur in the Corvette forums, but rather everyone supports each other on their preference. We also assist one another on how to improve the vehicles we have, with performance and/or cosmetics, wether it be a base or Z06.

MY LAST WORDS: GO BUY WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU, ENJOY THE VEHICLE, IF YOU RACE, DON'T DO IT ON THE STREETS..DO IT AT A CONTROLLED TRACK! ONLY SMART & RESPONSIBLE DRIVERS ARE

[Dom]

Originally Posted by roadie2991

I think that there are alot of assumptions being made about those of us that have ordered a V6. I can afford a SS but chose to get a 2LT/RS as my daily driver. I have owned plenty of V8's over the years...and yes....the sound is nice, so it the horsepower. 304hp definitely qualifies the V6 as a legitimate performer. I made the decision to get the V6 because I've given enough of my money to the greedy oil companies. So don't start looking down your nose at me for getting a V6, it's a choice.

Same here. I can easily afford the SS, but I'm getting a vette as my performance car.

Originally Posted by Mblock66

I am in the SS or nothing school. We need the V6 and all the folks that want to buy them for the car to exist and evolve. But I honestly wouldn't be caught dead in a V6 "muscle car". I've owned a 1968 GTO Convertible 400, 1995 Grand Prix, 1997 30th Anniv Z28, 2001 Acura CL Type S, 2005 Subaru Legacy GT.

Now the grand prix aside they have all been the "more powerful" version of the model offering. I modded all of them but the GTO. Even with a nice 6 in the CL and over 310 AWD HP when I was done with the 4 banger Legacy they still don't compare to the Z28 or the GTO. I am a car guy and love performance. I do track the cars here and there on the 1/4 but nothing crazy.

However, if I were in the market for a sports car/ muscle car then the camaro gets a serious look but only in the SS form. If I am looking for price, MPG, V6, etc then this is not the car to get that in. To me it just doesn't make sense. The V6 mustang and camaro in my eyes has always been for the chicks. Im really really not trying to offend anyone at all, that isn't my point so please don't take it that way. These are my opinions only. I just feel that if you are going to get a car like this is has to be SS or nothing. But I embrace all the V6 sales this thing can make, it will only ensure the future SS or even Z28 models that I want will be even that much better

I'm in the vette or nothing school. I wouldn't be caught dead in a 4,000lbs performance car. But I'm a guy who loves performance.

Originally Posted by kalel

You are missing the point. The point is that the 3.6 DI is made for decent performance with improved economy. If I was in the market for a car that was a decent performer and well rounded then I would want something like a CTS and get that engine with that TYPE of car. Im not saying to spend all that money to get the engine haha. The CTS is an all around much better made car and if I didn't want the "go" then the CTS would be a great fit for people looking for that sort of car.

If you are looking for a cheap daily driver with great MPG and decent market average performance then I wouldn't look at a RWD camaro V6. Why bother...no trunk, no back seat really, higher insurance, and you don't get the performance of what the camaro is really made for. Get an accord then....

The V6 has no brembos, the soft everyday suspension, a non performance engine (in comparison), an "ok" transmission, etc

It isn't about me having to have the top model like suggested above, it is about buying a car for what it is made to do. The camaro isn't meant to be used for getting groceries and getting awesome MPG. And to buy a car for the look and have the base model does not appeal to me AT ALL. I jsut never understood that.

I totally understand that money is an issue for people and they can't afford an SS but would prefer one. But if that is the case then you will always wish you had an SS. So I would suggest either saving a little longer or buying a different car that will fit your wallet even more. You can get the same performance out of an 18k Civic Si as the V6 camaro and it is much more functional

Don't need trunk, got gf to get my groceries. Does your gf make you get groceries? How many groceries do you get at once that they don't fit in a camaro trunk? Never used the back seat. Not planning on any little ones. I barerly pay any insurance on the Z now so I don't see how the V6 will have high insurance. I will probably pay less for both. My insurance went up when I got rid of my previous 6. Cadillacs are great for someone like my grandpa. If that's your thing, great. I like to buy my cars based on looks not trunk space. Neither of us is right or wrong, we just have different needs. I want a fun daily driver. I don't remember last time I went over 3k in my LS1 on my 2mile drive to work. No reason for me to have a V8 to drive to work.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by SQUALO

I can't believe the talk I'm hearing in this forum...are we not all Camaro (or muscle/sports car) lovers. You should be ashamed of yourselves EVEN comparing the Camaro to imports...especially to family cars.

I think people need to look back in the automotive history books and see the choices of engines, and components that were offerd, and how things progressed through time.

This kind of bashing would never occur in the Corvette forums, but rather everyone supports each other on their preference. We also assist one another on how to improve the vehicles we have, with performance and/or cosmetics, wether it be a base or Z06.

MY LAST WORDS: GO BUY WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU, ENJOY THE VEHICLE, IF YOU RACE, DON'T DO IT ON THE STREETS..DO IT AT A CONTROLLED TRACK! ONLY SMART & RESPONSIBLE DRIVERS ARE

This has gotten out of hand. Those of you that want respect for your V8 are going to get it from all of us. I'll be one of you guys when I can afford it, but I've got a lot of money-saving to do. Those of you getting the V6 have good reason. It is in a competitive bracket and will punish just about everyone out there. Your V6 will lay the smack on a classic Camaro, and that puts you up there with the best.

If you're debating which car to get, you need to figure out your priorities. Is your desire for V8 performance, which you definitely get out of the V6, worth an extra $7k? You're already as fast as anyone else that's racing their Challenger and Mustang V6s, Civics, 240SXs, and anything else that is out racing. Go out today for a drive. Observe all the cars with aftermarket rims, loud stereos, and performance parts. You're going to see a lot of 4-bangers from Asia. If you get a Camaro SS, you'll be so above these guys that it isn't even worth racing. If you get a Camaro LS, you'll be just in their line of sight enough to make them look like idiots.

Maybe racing isn't important to you. I've never raced my Subaru, for instance. Maybe you appreciate the feel of a quality suspension or just want the appearance of a Camaro with upgraded stereo and custom paint. The V6 is a good customizer, and lots of parts will be available for it. The V6 is a viable option for performance-oriented drivers who can't spend $30k in one day at the dealer. Spend that money over time with parts that you appreciate. Get a V8 as your next car, or turn your V6 into a V8 killer with the right parts.

There's no reason to disrespect the V6. Disrespecting the V6 is like saying that the only steak worth eating is fillet mignon, the only gun worth owning is a rocket launcher, the only energy supplement worth using is speed, and the only cars worth driving are Veyrons. They are all ridiculous, if not legally questionable, arguments.

[Jamestwilliams]

To direct this whole thing a little sideways the V6 is a far superior engine to the V8 in its technical achievement. It is an incredible engine and actually has more cool factor from an engineering standpoint. Direct injection allows an engine with 11.6:1 compression to run on 87 octane, just think about what that means. With the fuel being added at the end of the compression stroke just before combustion you could run any amount of boost you wanted without having to decrease compression the only limiting factor would be the strength of the internals. The V6 is an amazing performance engine especially if you upgrade the internals. But I digress I am still opting for the V8, it's just what I want but no one should say anything negative about the V6.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Dom

Same here. I can easily afford the SS, but I'm getting a vette as my performance car.



I'm in the vette or nothing school. I wouldn't be caught dead in a 4,000lbs performance car. But I'm a guy who loves performance.



Don't need trunk, got gf to get my groceries. Does your gf make you get groceries? How many groceries do you get at once that they don't fit in a camaro trunk? Never used the back seat. Not planning on any little ones. I barerly pay any insurance on the Z now so I don't see how the V6 will have high insurance. I will probably pay less for both. My insurance went up when I got rid of my previous 6. Cadillacs are great for someone like my grandpa. If that's your thing, great. I like to buy my cars based on looks not trunk space. Neither of us is right or wrong, we just have different needs. I want a fun daily driver. I don't remember last time I went over 3k in my LS1 on my 2mile drive to work. No reason for me to have a V8 to drive to work.

But its always nice to know you have that V8 under the hood when you really need it or want it.
And the V8 gives you a fun weekend play toy (track days or just street fun). You never know when a Mustang boy will need to be put in his place.

[SS4EVER]

Originally Posted by kalel

How many times do we have to tell you? I don't plan on racing accords.
We don't all care about 0-60 times.

Hey that's fine then. My dad is thinking of getting a V6 Camaro just to have one... lol although he prefers a V8.

Hey that's cool, but just don't try racing Accords, Maximas, Camrys, Altimas, or Cobalt SS's...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Whaoooo, there!!! Let's reign this in a little...:(

Relax people.....they're ALL Camaro's. And the news is: one Camaro is no 'better' than the other in terms of quality, value, ownership, or pride. And that's what matters, not V8 or V6...seriously -- starting a civil war in here over 2 cylinders?? Please!

Those who opt for the V6 have their reasons -- be it budget, mileage concerns, or a non-need for 400+ hp among others. None of that qualifies for any disrespect from other Camaro owners, so please don't go there.

And those who opt for the V8 will have their own reasons, as well. Most, if not all, want the sheer performance. Some have money to blow, and what-the-hell, the Camaro looks good. That doesn't make them any better or worse than the guys and gals who get an LS or LT...

I mean...look up above at the site's name. It's not V6Camaro5, or V8Camaro5...So can we all just get along?


Now...as for those Accord, Camry, etc remarks (I HAVE to say something....)...First of all: I think the V6 Camaro will fare better than anybody who brought it up anticipates. Secondly, how much do those cars cost?? I'd like somebody to show me another base-model car in this (or close) segment that provides the same performance as an LS/LT Camaro for $22.3k.....anybody?


(oh, and btw -- people are quoting old, non-official performance numbers for the LS/LT Camaro...wait till the final announcement comes before y'all start comparing it religiously to other cars...)

Originally Posted by The_Blur

This has gotten out of hand. Those of you that want respect for your V8 are going to get it from all of us. I'll be one of you guys when I can afford it, but I've got a lot of money-saving to do. Those of you getting the V6 have good reason. It is in a competitive bracket and will punish just about everyone out there. Your V6 will lay the smack on a classic Camaro, and that puts you up there with the best.

If you're debating which car to get, you need to figure out your priorities. Is your desire for V8 performance, which you definitely get out of the V6, worth an extra $7k? You're already as fast as anyone else that's racing their Challenger and Mustang V6s, Civics, 240SXs, and anything else that is out racing. Go out today for a drive. Observe all the cars with aftermarket rims, loud stereos, and performance parts. You're going to see a lot of 4-bangers from Asia. If you get a Camaro SS, you'll be so above these guys that it isn't even worth racing. If you get a Camaro LS, you'll be just in their line of sight enough to make them look like idiots.

Maybe racing isn't important to you. I've never raced my Subaru, for instance. Maybe you appreciate the feel of a quality suspension or just want the appearance of a Camaro with upgraded stereo and custom paint. The V6 is a good customizer, and lots of parts will be available for it. The V6 is a viable option for performance-oriented drivers who can't spend $30k in one day at the dealer. Spend that money over time with parts that you appreciate. Get a V8 as your next car, or turn your V6 into a V8 killer with the right parts.

There's no reason to disrespect the V6. Disrespecting the V6 is like saying that the only steak worth eating is fillet mignon, the only gun worth owning is a rocket launcher, the only energy supplement worth using is speed, and the only cars worth driving are Veyrons. They are all ridiculous, if not legally questionable, arguments.

[lilszoke]

lol ok i started this thread just say who wants a v8 or v6 its still a camaro in the end and ether one you get you will still be driveing a beautiful car i just like v8s

[lilszoke]

theres only 1 thing i never want to see is to pull up to a light and i see a beautiful camaro and he rev his engan and it sounds like a ricer im going to thow up

[drivingincamaro]

why does everyone care about Racing, if you get beat in a race of any kind you wont see the damn guy ever again, hes not going to go to your house and super glue a giant sign on your car saying I lost to a (insert car name here)

the base accord v6 28,000$

base altima v6 26,000$

base camry v6 24,000$ how many camrys do you see racing?

base cobalt SS 23,000$

base 2010 camaro v6 LS 23,000$

[Mblock66]

I think the point is getting lost here on the performance. No one is LITERALLY saying they want to race a camry accord altima etc. I don't street race and as I mentioned in previous posts I have been known to track my cars. I also was in the tuner business for a while and like to work on cars.

Im going to be 31 in a month so I am not revving my engine at every light looking to pick a race lol. I dont know why everyone automatically assumes when you talk about 0-60 time and "getting beat at a light" that we are seriously only concerned with who is next to us and we have to show off every chance we get.

The simple point is that the V6 camaros performance will get lost amongst a sea of other vehicles that can achieve the same thing. All the V6 folks keep talking about in every thread I read is "this thing is a beast its got 300 HP, its going to own everything".

To they guy that made the vette comment, well I am pretty close to a vette or nothing myself, problem is I am getting married in 9 months and I am looking at the Camaro as a short term alternative. It is between a leftover 09, used 06/07 Z06 and a new 2SS for me.

Does that mean that I am going to be going 0-6 in 4.1 seconds every single time I come to a stop? No! Does it mean I am a street racer? No! Does it mean that I want to have the most of what these cars are intended to do when I do decide to make a highway pass or quick onramp or head to the 1/4 mile track? YES

These cars are built for one purpose...to perform above the norm in performance. Not mpg, not rear seat room, not insurance costs, not utmost reliability, not cargo space. And since the v6 camaro doesn't outperform the norm in my opinion it isn't worth the 25k. The performance is what MAKES this car.

(once again this is MY opinion. I am not attacking or putting down any person here that wants what they want. For me I am looking for a toy and something to blow off some testosterone in. There is nothing like the feeling of that and having a sh!t eating grin on your face everytime you get in your car. For me the V6 just wouldn't accomplish that, I would feel embarassed and jealous when I saw SS's. But thats just how I feel about cars. This car is for pure fun and would probably still be my DD for most days. You spend so much of your life in a car, I will never settle and I will always buy something that will give me that grin each and every time i get behind the wheel. )

[headpunter]

Lets Face it, If your buying the v6 you arent really concerned about the 0-60 times, your concerned bout the $ and the MPG's. the LT/LS's are not in the Same League as the SS or other V8 cars we realize that. But to marginalize the camaro v6 is crazy. The camaro v6 WILL BE THE BULK OF SALES.....so if there is no v6 or no one buys the v6 you can wave good bye to the camaro....i promise you GM wont even give killing the camaro a second thought. CAFE forces their hand in that.

and to the 4000 lbs performance car statement:

I am glad that you are of the age and income that you can Afford to have a car that has 1 use only. all the rest of us common guys/gals who cant afford such a specialized car but still want a performance minded vehicle welcome the 4000lb camaro. What were you expecting for $31K? i know you were probably in the same boat with c6TT in wanting a 3400lb 550hp car for the same 31k.......you may have different needs but you also need to reconsider your logic when trying to compare the two cars. They are designed for way different demographics and markets.

[Gomerr]

Originally Posted by headpunter

and to the 4000 lbs performance car statement:

I am glad that you are of the age and income that you can Afford to have a car that has 1 use only. all the rest of us common guys/gals who cant afford such a specialized car but still want a performance minded vehicle welcome the 4000lb camaro. What were you expecting for $31K? i know you were probably in the same boat with c6TT in wanting a 3400lb 550hp car for the same 31k.......you may have different needs but you also need to reconsider your logic when trying to compare the two cars. They are designed for way different demographics and markets.

headhunter makes my brain feel better for people who dont have car knowledge and just post random BS

*sighs relief for headpunter being so knowledgeable [no sarcasm]*

headpunter really makes everything easy to understand and puts everyone in their place with his superior knowledge...therefore headpunter = game over

[kalel]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

For me I am looking for a toy and something to blow off some testosterone in. .. I would feel embarassed and jealous when I saw SS's. ...

Man, I hope that the z28 comes out while you are driving around in your SS. That would be embarassing for you. It might even shrink your testosterone makers.