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z28ssadmirer · 11-20-2008, 06:27 PM

Hey the idea of a supercharger for the v6 just sounds down right sick.

Evilangel · 11-21-2008, 12:54 AM

Definitely sounds sick. Let D3 know if you're interested. Of course this is there is still a GMC and a 2010 Camaro to buy come next spring.

JJ#48Racing · 11-21-2008, 01:43 PM

I'm not in the market for a V6 Camaro, but I think an available supercharger would be sweet. I would think there would be more of a demand for a supercharger for the Camaro than a Cadillac.

drivingincamaro · 11-24-2008, 09:17 PM

idk I want a Super charger, but i dont want to lose any mpgs

help?

Shadowsong · 11-24-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

idk I want a Super charger, but i dont want to lose any mpgs

help?

You won't as along as you can keep your foot out of it most of the time.

Hell, you'd probly gain some MPG's with a good turbo setup.

I'm sure with the efficiency of most new superchargers you'd gain some aswell.

BowtieGuy · 11-25-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

You won't as along as you can keep your foot out of it most of the time.

Hell, you'd probly gain some MPG's with a good turbo setup.

I'm sure with the efficiency of most new superchargers you'd gain some aswell.

+1

Wm Holden · 11-26-2008, 03:19 PM

mine jumped from 20 mpg to 22.7 mpg adding the Maggie 112HH.

drivingincamaro · 11-28-2008, 05:38 PM

hmmm i see

Im leaning to the supercharger side now

justmeron · 12-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franknbeans

There's not way I'll touch the motor until my warranty runs out. . . Way to damn many things can go wrong when you start Turboing or Supercharging motors.

I totally agree. Perhaps that may be an option to add later but not right away.

Wm Holden · 12-01-2008, 05:42 PM

Magnuson offers a third party warranty on drive line components with the purchase of a maggie...I think it's like 300 bucks...but you can't customize the tune.

justmeron · 12-01-2008, 06:18 PM

Kewl sounds like the way to go on that Holden

Beau · 12-07-2008, 09:09 PM

An FYI.
The 2JZGE and 2JZ-GTE in the Supra aren't forged.

As far as forced induction goes on the 3.6DI. The issue here is two fold, getting the mechanical pump to flow enough fuel needed for much higher power levels, and of course the compression.

You could run E-85 and tune it, but you'd definately require an entire fuel system upgrade which is very difficult. Not because of the drying effects of alcohol, but because of the sheer volume needed.

If you wanted to run leaded race gas and get rid of the cats, you could easily run over 500WHP on the DI v6.

I've spoken to the engineers and the rods and pins are similar weight to the non DI 255 horse 3.6 counterpart, but they are far stronger, and that 3.6 bottom end in the non DI is no joke.

Trying to run boost on pump gas is pretty asinine. Direct injection typically allows a little over 1.0:1 in extra compression with the knock characteristics of a motor running over a full point of compression.

Ex. Port fuel compression motor with a static CR of 10.3:1
The Direct Injection version would have compression of 11.3:1 and still exhibit knock characteristics of the 10.3:1 compression counterpart. So thats very very good. It's just that 10.3:1 is quite high for boost, and you'd be pulling a LOT of timing to get some boost in that sucker, which would cause EGTS to sky rocket.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 12-08-2008, 01:33 PM

But knock shouldn't even be an issue, right? The Direct Injection system shoots gas into the cylinder right at the end-portion of the compression stroke. It cools the now-compressed air, and VERY shortly thereafter, ignites.

I guess I imagine the larger issue would be how much boost the head gaskets can handle.

Grape Ape · 12-08-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

But knock shouldn't even be an issue, right? The Direct Injection system shoots gas into the cylinder right at the end-portion of the compression stroke. It cools the now-compressed air, and VERY shortly thereafter, ignites.

I guess I imagine the larger issue would be how much boost the head gaskets can handle.

The DI injectors fire at the time best suited to what the engine is being asked to do. Under a high load the best time is while the intake valve is open to cause the fuel and air to mix fully. Under a light load it goes into its ultra lean mode and fires near TDC to create a stoshiometic pocket centered on the sparkplug while the throttle is open wide to reduce pumping losses and save fuel.

11-24-2008, 09:17 PM	#32
drivingincamaro Drives: 95 civic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 5,796	idk I want a Super charger, but i dont want to lose any mpgs help? __________________

11-26-2008, 03:19 PM	#35
Wm Holden Yes, that's my real name. Drives: 2005 LS2 600hp GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ventura, ca. Posts: 770	mine jumped from 20 mpg to 22.7 mpg adding the Maggie 112HH. __________________ Magnuson 112HH supercharger at 7.5 psi (Virtual 9.0 liter) 600hp 1 of 2 torrid/red int /A4/05 555r 275/40/R17's Nitto Extreme Drags 1.7 60 ft Car runs high 11's No other mods. I got the first 112HH Magnuson blower ported for a GTO. Now it appears it was also one of the last.... http://www.ribbonprinting.com http://www.personalizedawarenessribbons.com

11-28-2008, 05:38 PM	#36
drivingincamaro Drives: 95 civic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 5,796	hmmm i see Im leaning to the supercharger side now __________________

12-01-2008, 05:42 PM	#38
Wm Holden Yes, that's my real name. Drives: 2005 LS2 600hp GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ventura, ca. Posts: 770	Magnuson offers a third party warranty on drive line components with the purchase of a maggie...I think it's like 300 bucks...but you can't customize the tune. __________________ Magnuson 112HH supercharger at 7.5 psi (Virtual 9.0 liter) 600hp 1 of 2 torrid/red int /A4/05 555r 275/40/R17's Nitto Extreme Drags 1.7 60 ft Car runs high 11's No other mods. I got the first 112HH Magnuson blower ported for a GTO. Now it appears it was also one of the last.... http://www.ribbonprinting.com http://www.personalizedawarenessribbons.com

12-08-2008, 01:33 PM	#41
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	But knock shouldn't even be an issue, right? The Direct Injection system shoots gas into the cylinder right at the end-portion of the compression stroke. It cools the now-compressed air, and VERY shortly thereafter, ignites. I guess I imagine the larger issue would be how much boost the head gaskets can handle. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

11-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#29
z28ssadmirer Drives: 1968 SS Camaro Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: saint petersburg florida Posts: 10 View My Garage	Hey the idea of a supercharger for the v6 just sounds down right sick.

11-21-2008, 12:54 AM	#30
Evilangel Drives: 2003 Evo(450hp) , 95 CamaroZ28 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 72	Definitely sounds sick. Let D3 know if you're interested. Of course this is there is still a GMC and a 2010 Camaro to buy come next spring.

11-21-2008, 01:43 PM	#31
JJ#48Racing Drives: 1998 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,115	I'm not in the market for a V6 Camaro, but I think an available supercharger would be sweet. I would think there would be more of a demand for a supercharger for the Camaro than a Cadillac.

12-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#39
justmeron Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 1,256 View My Garage	Kewl sounds like the way to go on that Holden

12-07-2008, 09:09 PM	#40
Beau Drives: Fast Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 24	An FYI. The 2JZGE and 2JZ-GTE in the Supra aren't forged. As far as forced induction goes on the 3.6DI. The issue here is two fold, getting the mechanical pump to flow enough fuel needed for much higher power levels, and of course the compression. You could run E-85 and tune it, but you'd definately require an entire fuel system upgrade which is very difficult. Not because of the drying effects of alcohol, but because of the sheer volume needed. If you wanted to run leaded race gas and get rid of the cats, you could easily run over 500WHP on the DI v6. I've spoken to the engineers and the rods and pins are similar weight to the non DI 255 horse 3.6 counterpart, but they are far stronger, and that 3.6 bottom end in the non DI is no joke. Trying to run boost on pump gas is pretty asinine. Direct injection typically allows a little over 1.0:1 in extra compression with the knock characteristics of a motor running over a full point of compression. Ex. Port fuel compression motor with a static CR of 10.3:1 The Direct Injection version would have compression of 11.3:1 and still exhibit knock characteristics of the 10.3:1 compression counterpart. So thats very very good. It's just that 10.3:1 is quite high for boost, and you'd be pulling a LOT of timing to get some boost in that sucker, which would cause EGTS to sky rocket.

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