Water/Meth Injection choices

[Single_Turbo_G8]

Coolingmist all day..varicool stage 2 setup here with progressive controller..cool setup and good saftey features also

[Supercharged SS]

The cooling mist trunk tank will last you forever. I've had it for over ten months and I've only used a few gallons. You'll fill up with gas at least 10 or 15 times before you'll need to add meth.

[smokinlmm]

Where is everybody moounting the tanks? Not keen on putting it in the truck. Has anybody used the windsheild washer resiviour as the tank?

[Frost]

Not one mention of Alkycontrol here.... I don't know if Julio has a custom tank for the cam5 yet, but he will soon if not. I have it on dozens of forced induction cars running for FIVE YEARS NOW without failure. I don't sell or officially endorse them, they are just the most solid kit in my experience. No cheap plastic lines or plastic industrial stab-in air fittings that are now 'methanol line fittings"....

I have record setting stock FI cars that have raced and driven on these kits for years. This car is a 100% stock LS6 motor (valve covers have never been off) with headers and 11-12psi from a D1sc; alive for years and hundreds of passes at this power level:


I have the kits in other cars that runs 9s on the stock rotating assemblies (yes pistons too!).

I have seen failures in almost every other brand kit over the year; several repeatedly. That is why Alkycontrol gets my recommendation.

[coolingmist]

One thing that is important that everyone needs to know is that ALL kits on the market will have failures. I dont know any kit manufacturer that would ever advertise that the kit will never have a failure. Its absolutely impossible. All products on this planet are human made and have the potential for failure. If a kit maker tells you that a product will never fail, skip it because they are lying to you. I dont believe that to be the case because I have never seen a kit maker advertise that.

Whats more important is that you get a reliable kit, but in addition get a kit with a failsafe that will tell you when there is a problem, tell you what the problem is and have the option to turn something on/off if a problem exists. Having a display to show you the flow rate is 100% re-assurance that things are working correctly. This is what your CMGS kit does. This kit has been very reliable and we have upgraded the kit over the last year to what it is today, which is why its rock solid.

Our hose has a burst pressure of over 1,000 PSI and all of our parts are 100% methanol compatible for those that choose full meth. Our CMGS enclosure is billit cnc machined alum with mil spec anodizing. We put very high quality into every part of our kit and I assure you everyone that has this kit will agree.

Here is a picture of our fittings that come with every kit, no plastic. All quality metal.:

[JProberts]

Can you add the meth kit easily to your car after you have installed the SC already? Is it easier and more cost effective to have it installed when you put on the SC?

[coolingmist]

they are easily installed after you have intalled your s/c. Its just a 1/8th NPT nozzle.

CM

[JR-Vette]

Originally Posted by JProberts

Can you add the meth kit easily to your car after you have installed the SC already? Is it easier and more cost effective to have it installed when you put on the SC?

It is your choice when you do the install.
Figure first time install maybe 4 hours maximum
Better from costing if someone else is doing the SC and w/meth install plus once then to do custom tune for both.

What is important though is to custom tune to best that whatever mods you mix and match are considered in the tune so that all behave well.
w/meth is going to reduce intake air temp as much as 50 degrees so it is important for tuning so that PCM is adjusting to what might be blind temps of w/meth on meaning the IAT sensor maybe before the w/meth nozzle so it never sees the lower air temp

Never install nozzle so that is is spraying on MAF, we sell our kits with right angle nozzle so that spray is directed into throttlebody only.
I do is tap the intake manifold to mount nozzle after the TB

Install is fairly easy,
Pumps are pusher types thus the windshield washer tank if used or if using another tank must be higher then the input side of the tank.
Mount tank, you want the nozzle higher then everything else so that fluid drain back to tank or pump and not intake intake.
The further pump is from nozzle like it installing in trunk the harder the pump is to push fluid to engine, could then reduce pump pressure.
Make sure then pump is 250 PSI and not 150 PSI.

Install a fluid solenoid close to nozzle as this way when water/meth is off the engine cannot suck the fluid out of the tank.

Now all is needed is installing the controller and doing the wiring

I suggest you make a new voltage circuit in fuse panel and pump on cold start current draw can be over 10 amps just for the w/meth system.
Use like a "Add a circuit" found at auto parts stores.

I suggest you add a single pole power switch as there may be times while driving you want w/meth off.

Also nice is a LED mounted in drivers area attached to the wire from controller to pump.
The LED when on and pulsing lets you know the controller is commanding a PWM voltage to pump and that is is on.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by coolingmist

One thing that is important that everyone needs to know is that ALL kits on the market will have failures. I dont know any kit manufacturer that would ever advertise that the kit will never have a failure. Its absolutely impossible....

I'm not advertising, I'm relating what I have seen from using methanol systems of all popular brands extensively on late model GM cars from the last 5 years. I don't sell or install methanol systems, I just tune cars. Every last one of the cars that have had the Alkycontrol kit still have them, and have not had failures. I did not say that the kits WON'T fail, I am saying that none of the cars tuned with them have failed.

It's worthy of mention after seeing multiple failures from other brands. One of the largest methanol companies out there has had the most failures on my customers cars.

[coolingmist]

Originally Posted by Frost

I'm not advertising, I'm relating what I have seen from using methanol systems of all popular brands extensively on late model GM cars from the last 5 years. I don't sell or install methanol systems, I just tune cars. Every last one of the cars that have had the Alkycontrol kit still have them, and have not had failures. I did not say that the kits WON'T fail, I am saying that none of the cars tuned with them have failed.

It's worthy of mention after seeing multiple failures from other brands. One of the largest methanol companies out there has had the most failures on my customers cars.

I never said you were advertising. You are not a kit maker.

CM

[Single_Turbo_G8]

Methanol is methanol and the end if the day..get a kit that works has saftey equipment and great customer service!! I called around and had questions to ask ..three companys rushed me off the phone or wanted me to buy then talk!!the company I chooses was great and dedicated there time to me so that was my buying point!!!

By the way COOLINGMIST rocks!! Not one problem yet!!

[old motorhead]

On a TVS2300, where would you introduce the meth, and would you make any other changes relating to the addition of the meth? Understand the tune might need to be tweaked.

[coolingmist]

in general if you tune for the meth you will make the most gains. some customers just put the meth on in a way to use as a safety mod to protect against bad fuel, etc.

Where to put the nozzle? In general we use these guidelines:

If you have a turbo it goes after the turbo, never before. Injector should be a nice distance from the throttlebody as to give enough time for atomizing. Some customers put right at the throttlebody and it will not hurt anything but my preference is a little distance.

If you have a roots style supercharger most of the time you must put prior to the s/c. I prefer after if its possible however if you put it before you will get some efficiency on the s/c. For other types of s/c put in the pipe after the s/c (after the IC if you have one us same rules as turbo)

CM

[PaintballaXX]

Why don't you guys like pre-compressor injection?