Camaro SS vs. 370Z

[truth411]

The camaro V6 will be most likely be SAE rated over 300 hp, GM has been hinting at this the whole time. 300 hp 273lb tq was just VERY EARLY pleminiary numbers, GM have continued to work on these drivetrains the whole time.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Yes but it should have had more so these comparisons would have been valid the V6 should have pulled at least a 5 sec 0-60

What should have had more what?

If you're going to only compare engines, do that as I've done. I've shown that the v6 in the Camaro is a BETTER v6 than the one in teh 370z based on engine performance.

Now if you want to talk about things like 0-60 times, you have to compare the whole car, including PRICE. The v6 Camaro cannot be compared to the 370z as it is a completely different car.

When GM was designing the v6 Camaro, their primary goal was not performance; it was price and fuel efficiency.

The 370z was designed with performance first, as was the Camaro SS.

You're trying to compare apples to watermelons.

[ArcAngel]

ucfwoot bro you need to relax your gonna pop a blood vessel LOL

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by kylepo

car and driver tested it at 4.9 couldnt find their 1/4 mile # but insideline puts it at 0-60 in 5.1 and 1/4 at 13.4. the camaros numbers are better no? thats the straight line story. in the turns I think this would be a fine match up however only in price are these cars similar. and we really should not be comparing them.

I've only read Motor Trend's article where they got a 4.7 0-60.
As far as the Camaro's numbers, why don't you go ahead and send me the link to the performance reviews.

[Rekt]

Originally Posted by kylepo

car and driver tested it at 4.9 couldnt find their 1/4 mile # but insideline puts it at 0-60 in 5.1 and 1/4 at 13.4. the camaros numbers are better no? thats the straight line story. in the turns I think this would be a fine match up however only in price are these cars similar. and we really should not be comparing them.

Motor Trend had 4.7 and 13.3 0-60 and 1/4 respectively.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Camaroinmo

What do you mean? He is absolutely, 100% correct. That fact that a 370z can compete with a Camaro SS is unfortunate for GM. Kudos to Nissan for building sweet car that can be bought last week. GM can't even get the Camaro to market.

Oh please, go buy a 370Z already! Three years and a couple of months from release of Concept Camaro to production Camaro is not that long (actually it's pretty quick), so I really don't understand your "GM can't even get the Camaro to market." comment. Had GM decided to build the new Camaro as V6 powered only and then gone through with the weight savings for not having a 400+ HP V8 (then think of the moaning you would have heard on Camaro forums), then you might have seen a V6 Camaro handing the 370Z it's butt. Are you sure you're not another one of those "brainwashed consumers" that has been educated only by the car mags, newspapers, and mainstream media ("the Detroit 3 build nothing but junk") and really only likes Toyota/Nissan/etc.? Because you and several others on this forum certainly do sound an awful lot like that. If you want to compare similar cars, why aren't you comparing the 370Z to the Vette, seems to me they are both 2 seat sport coupes wth similar weights. And all of this "wanking off" about engines, "my V6 beats your V8", "well my I4 beats your V6", and on and on. The cars are what they are, deal with it, decide which is the best for your wants/needs, and then buy that one. Nuff said!!
Clyde

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

no your incorrect the vette would not be a proper comparission because it does not offer a V6

You really have far to much time on your hands, why don't you go compare some skateboard performance figures and see if they have the same engine. Oh wait, one is powered by a 5' 110 lb child and the other by a 6' 175 lb man, what was I thinking, different engines entirely. See, I just can't get this straight in any venue, guess I'll just go buy a Camaro and not worry about all of this nit-picking nonsense. The cars are what they are, deal with it.
Clyde

[ArcAngel]

hey wildpaws shut up moron we are discussing athis thread whats the point in having a forum if your not aloud different points of view. no one is shit talking either car we are discussing our opinions

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

hey wildpaws shut up moron we are discussing athis thread whats the point in having a forum if your not aloud different points of view. no one is shit talking either car we are discussing our opinions

ouch. come on that could use some editing : /

[edesign]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

No it's not. I'll say this again...

Then do that.
The 370z has a 3.7L v6 outputting 322hp and 269 lb ft of torque.
The 3.6L V-6 DI VVT outputs 300hp and 273lb ft of torque. Not all that much difference and the Camaro gets better gas mileage despite weighing significantly more.


If you're going to compare a car as a whole you cannot only look at the amount of cylinders and say they are the same class.

w00t is somewhat correct...have any of you checked the MSRP of the 370Z vs a 1LT Camaro RS? MSRP of a base 370Z with the sport package (have to include this to get the LSD and performance 19" tires) is just a pubic hair shy of $33,000 ($30,000 base + $3000 for the sport package). What's a 1LT RS Camaro run...about $26-27,000?

But that's where it gets interesting...for the additional $6g's you get about 1-1.5 second faster 0-60 times and "requires" premium fuel. Not to mention you don't get the extra room but you do get weight savings.

However, when you start comparing MSRP to MSRP you have to step up to the SS Camaro which adds 1.5L over the 370Z and the additional HP and torque but brings the 0-60 times close to equal. This is the point Camaroinmo is trying to make...the fact that you have to go way up in displacement to match the 370Z is not good.

Then there's the MPG...the 370Z is rated 18/26 and the Camaro SS is supposed to get around 23MPG on the highway (I haven't seen any city ratings, I'd guess if the 23 was right maybe around 16-17), not enough to make a difference imho. Not if you're able to afford a $30,000+ vehicle, that's basically splitting hairs. Compare the Z to the V6 Camaro and it becomes a bit more even...winner = Camaro due to not needing premium and costing $5000-6000 less (how much fuel does that buy? ).

So sure...the 370Z will spank the V6 Camaro (even if the HP/torque ratings are similar w00t) but for $6000 more and it not being a luxury vehicle I'd damn well hope so! But the fact you have to step up to a high displacement V8 to keep up with it in a straight line does not say much for the Camaro ALTHOUGH it is a DIFFERENT kind of vehicle (i.e., not a roadster and hence has a larger butt to haul around).

Neither of you are completely right and neither of you are completely wrong.

There is no way to equally compare these vehicles:

1) Engine size? Ok...but one is a roadster saving it 600 pounds and wins the 0-60 run.

2) MSRP? Ok...but you need an extra 1.5L and roughly 100HP/100lb-ft to equalize the speed?

3) HP/torque? Ok...but the Z costs $6000 more ($3000 more if you get rid of the LSD and 19" performance tires that come with the sport package...this is a bit closer comparison) and wins the straight line run.

Not sure how else you could simplify either vehicle for an accurate comparison (interior color? ) but given the above the Z offers better performance albeit not always at a better price...depends on how much you are willing/able to spend. Six cylinder engines have been keeping pace and sometimes beating V8's for quite some time now, nothing new...just like some of the said V8 owners get all pissy when such a thing happens.

One thing I think most of us CAN agree on is that a V8 just simply SOUNDS better

[UCF w00t]

I was trying to stick to his point about v6 vs v6. I agree with pretty much everything you said. The v6 in the Camaro is a solid engine, perhaps better than the one in the Z. The Camaro just weighs a lot more (since it's a completely different vehicle) and needs the extra power of the big v8 to keep up with the much lighter Z.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by edesign

w00t is somewhat correct...have any of you checked the MSRP of the 370Z vs a 1LT Camaro RS? MSRP of a base 370Z with the sport package (have to include this to get the LSD and performance 19" tires) is just a pubic hair shy of $33,000 ($30,000 base + $3000 for the sport package). What's a 1LT RS Camaro run...about $26-27,000?

But that's where it gets interesting...for the additional $6g's you get about 1-1.5 second faster 0-60 times and "requires" premium fuel. Not to mention you don't get the extra room but you do get weight savings.

However, when you start comparing MSRP to MSRP you have to step up to the SS Camaro which adds 1.5L over the 370Z and the additional HP and torque but brings the 0-60 times close to equal. This is the point Camaroinmo is trying to make...the fact that you have to go way up in displacement to match the 370Z is not good.

Then there's the MPG...the 370Z is rated 18/26 and the Camaro SS is supposed to get around 23MPG on the highway (I haven't seen any city ratings, I'd guess if the 23 was right maybe around 16-17), not enough to make a difference imho. Not if you're able to afford a $30,000+ vehicle, that's basically splitting hairs. Compare the Z to the V6 Camaro and it becomes a bit more even...winner = Camaro due to not needing premium and costing $5000-6000 less (how much fuel does that buy? ).

So sure...the 370Z will spank the V6 Camaro (even if the HP/torque ratings are similar w00t) but for $6000 more and it not being a luxury vehicle I'd damn well hope so! But the fact you have to step up to a high displacement V8 to keep up with it in a straight line does not say much for the Camaro ALTHOUGH it is a DIFFERENT kind of vehicle (i.e., not a roadster and hence has a larger butt to haul around).

Neither of you are completely right and neither of you are completely wrong.

There is no way to equally compare these vehicles:

1) Engine size? Ok...but one is a roadster saving it 600 pounds and wins the 0-60 run.

2) MSRP? Ok...but you need an extra 1.5L and roughly 100HP/100lb-ft to equalize the speed?

3) HP/torque? Ok...but the Z costs $6000 more ($3000 more if you get rid of the LSD and 19" performance tires that come with the sport package...this is a bit closer comparison) and wins the straight line run.

Not sure how else you could simplify either vehicle for an accurate comparison (interior color? ) but given the above the Z offers better performance albeit not always at a better price...depends on how much you are willing/able to spend. Six cylinder engines have been keeping pace and sometimes beating V8's for quite some time now, nothing new...just like some of the said V8 owners get all pissy when such a thing happens.

One thing I think most of us CAN agree on is that a V8 just simply SOUNDS better

I agree for the most part but the Camaro SS will not just "keep up" with the 370Z it will be faster.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Woah...what happened in here?

Look, there are two discussions going on here, and they're getting meshed inappropriately.

You have car-to-car comparisons, in which the SS is most applicable for comparison to the 370z. This is very simple; you look at pricepoints, and performance brackets. You need to consider the whole package for this.

And you have engine-to-engine comparisons. In which the V6 v V6 matter can be discussed. These two discussions cannot be merged regarding the Nissan and the Camaro because you get invalid, and unfair accusations from BOTH sides.

Now...my little bit, I'll weigh in the engine comparisons: Nissan's VQ engine was taken off of Ward's 10 best engines list for 2009. GM's DI 3.6L, the same one we're getting, is still on that list. That's got to say something...

Now, please don't continue with any more negative/flaming posts, or they will be deleted without warning.

[TonytheTiger]

I would buy a camaro ss becuase its much more a car then that Z, Camaro hands down.