160 Degree Thermostat and Car Issues....

[HtownSS]

Originally Posted by Steve@TunedbyFrost

The 160-stats will allow a little more resiliency against knock. These cars benefit from a cooler stat; that's a fact. I don't see the relevance of what Nascar/North team does with their SBC's; this is application specific. After seeing these in use for the last 5-6 years if was an issue it would be known. All of the OEM calibrators will tell you the same thing. They want the engines warm and they want them warm quick; it's all about emissions for them. I'm honestly pretty surprised to see ANY tuner with a solid background in this platform tell someone that a cheap mod like a stat is a waste of coin and even more surprised to see them claim the possibility of harm. There are many web-boards that cover the LS platform for even the last decade. The common issues are beat up on all of the boards. If they are an issue, where are the threads?

Completly agree! One does do a great job of of placing himeself in the marketplace.

[caverman]

BTW: About what does a T-Stat cost and where is everyone buying theirs from?

This might give me something to do to the car while nothing is really going on during the winter season.

Also, I'm assuming that this is the where the T-stat is located and should be as easy as draining fluid, remove the two water neck bolts, pop out the old T-stat, put back in the new one and then put the water neck back on.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Steve@TunedbyFrost

The 160-stats will allow a little more resiliency against knock. These cars benefit from a cooler stat; that's a fact. I don't see the relevance of what Nascar/North team does with their SBC's; this is application specific. After seeing these in use for the last 5-6 years if was an issue it would be known. All of the OEM calibrators will tell you the same thing. They want the engines warm and they want them warm quick; it's all about emissions for them. I'm honestly pretty surprised to see ANY tuner with a solid background in this platform tell someone that a cheap mod like a stat is a waste of coin and even more surprised to see them claim the possibility of harm. There are many web-boards that cover the LS platform for even the last decade. The common issues are beat up on all of the boards. If they are an issue, where are the threads?

There are many underlying facts that are in my posts, and because it is typing and not talking you may or may not be able to interpret the info and may not get what I am saying at all.

I never Said they were Bad.

I did state the FACTS about Main bearing clearances on an aluminum engine.

I did say I don't See the Benefit.

I did say I see more reason NOT to use one than to Use one.

I have asked several times for any and all technical data to support the notion that a 160 is better than a 192 in this application.

All I get is, Well I use them, and so and so uses them, and so and so sells them.

I did say Combustion Efficiency is directly related to Operating temps.

I did say With Efficiency comes Performance, it is not all about emissions.

Nascar/ Bush North engines share many of the same technology in cooling, cylinder head design, operating temps, fuel economy, performance that these engines have.

Where do you think the technology Came From, It has all to do with it.

Your response is no better than any of the others above, I Still say SHOW ME a 160 is better than a 192.

Running an Engine cold so you can get aggressive with timing is an Amateur tuning Disaster.

We get Power from the Production of HEAT, we turn heat in to mechanical work.

Why do you think a Cast Iron Head Makes More Power than an aluminum Head?

I will tell You, Because Iron Heads Retain HEAT, and Aluminum Wicks it Away from the combustion Process.

It is a Fact finding Mission NOTHING ELSE!

[moiy1983]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

There are many underlying facts that are in my posts, and because it is typing and not talking you may or may not be able to interpret the info and may not get what I am saying at all.

I never Said they were Bad.

I did state the FACTS about Main bearing clearances on an aluminum engine.

I did say I don't See the Benefit.

I did say I see more reason NOT to use one than to Use one.

I have asked several times for any and all technical data to support the notion that a 160 is better than a 192 in this application.

All I get is, Well I use them, and so and so uses them, and so and so sells them.

I did say Combustion Efficiency is directly related to Operating temps.

I did say With Efficiency comes Performance, it is not all about emissions.

Nascar/ Bush North engines share many of the same technology in cooling, cylinder head design, operating temps, fuel economy, performance that these engines have.

Where do you think the technology Came From, It has all to do with it.

Your response is no better than any of the others above, I Still say SHOW ME a 160 is better than a 192.

Running an Engine cold so you can get aggressive with timing is an Amateur tuning Disaster.

We get Power from the Production of HEAT, we turn heat in to mechanical work.

Why do you think a Cast Iron Head Makes More Power than an aluminum Head?

I will tell You, Because Iron Heads Retain HEAT, and Aluminum Wicks it Away from the combustion Process.

It is a Fact finding Mission NOTHING ELSE!

[BLACK10]

the factory installs a higher temp stat to help control emissions, thats a fact

[caverman]

Originally Posted by moiy1983

Really....

[NickJRE]

Originally Posted by moiy1983

Which part? Elaborate....

[Frost]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

There are many underlying facts that are in my posts, and because it is typing and not talking you may or may not be able to interpret the info and may not get what I am saying at all.

I never Said they were Bad.

I did state the FACTS about Main bearing clearances on an aluminum engine.

I did say I don't See the Benefit.

I did say I see more reason NOT to use one than to Use one.

I have asked several times for any and all technical data to support the notion that a 160 is better than a 192 in this application.

All I get is, Well I use them, and so and so uses them, and so and so sells them.

I did say Combustion Efficiency is directly related to Operating temps.

I did say With Efficiency comes Performance, it is not all about emissions.

Nascar/ Bush North engines share many of the same technology in cooling, cylinder head design, operating temps, fuel economy, performance that these engines have.

Where do you think the technology Came From, It has all to do with it.

Your response is no better than any of the others above, I Still say SHOW ME a 160 is better than a 192.

Running an Engine cold so you can get aggressive with timing is an Amateur tuning Disaster.

We get Power from the Production of HEAT, we turn heat in to mechanical work.

Why do you think a Cast Iron Head Makes More Power than an aluminum Head?

I will tell You, Because Iron Heads Retain HEAT, and Aluminum Wicks it Away from the combustion Process.

It is a Fact finding Mission NOTHING ELSE!

So show that they AREN'T... It's not like you are exclusively right until dis-proven; there are other tuners here that have related the same experiences that I have .

There are no facts about them in relation to main bearing issues on this platform; just your broad generalization.

You will be less prone to knock running cooler; how would you NOT see the benefit to that? I don't "use" or sell them. I tune cars and I use my engineering background to aggregate data from the collective group. It makes trends easy to spot.

Who cares what Nascar does?? This is not Nascar and these engines are not used in an even remotely similar fashion. Nascar uses carbs; why are we bothering with all of this pesky fuel injection when that's clearly what we need? I'm just using your logic and showing that this is a straw man.

And now, cast iron heads "make more power than aluminum"... really.... really?

Don't even IMPLY that I am an amateur here. My tunes are one-offs that don't come out of an SCT can. I bit my tongue when you claimed that VE tuning took "days" (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=19)... it might if you don't know how. I mapped the complete VE and MAF of a 520rwhp car yesterday in just over an hour. Guess what, no "fancy atuo tune' or whatever you are referring to... steady state single cell. You can't even TUNE late model VE with SCT.

[Mike TexaSS]

WOW this thread blows me away...

[moiy1983]

Originally Posted by Steve@TunedbyFrost

So show that they AREN'T... It's not like you are exclusively right until dis-proven; there are other tuners here that have related the same experiences that I have .

There are no facts about them in relation to main bearing issues on this platform; just your broad generalization.

You will be less prone to knock running cooler; how would you NOT see the benefit to that? I don't "use" or sell them. I tune cars and I use my engineering background to aggregate data from the collective group. It makes trends easy to spot.

Who cares what Nascar does?? This is not Nascar and these engines are not used in an even remotely similar fashion. Nascar uses carbs; why are we bothering with all of this pesky fuel injection when that's clearly what we need? I'm just using your logic and showing that this is a straw man.

And now, cast iron heads "make more power than aluminum"... really.... really?

Don't even IMPLY that I am an amateur here. My tunes are one-offs that don't come out of an SCT can. I bit my tongue when you claimed that VE tuning took "days" (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=19)... it might if you don't know how. I mapped the complete VE and MAF of a 520rwhp car yesterday in just over an hour. Guess what, no "fancy atuo tune' or whatever you are referring to... steady state single cell. You can't even TUNE late model VE with SCT.

I agree with u completly! I also dont agree that a cooler running engine

will cause main bearing issue when the oil temps dont change. i dont want

anger anyone just saying i dont agree with ted on this one.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Steve@TunedbyFrost

So show that they AREN'T... It's not like you are exclusively right until dis-proven; there are other tuners here that have related the same experiences that I have .

There are no facts about them in relation to main bearing issues on this platform; just your broad generalization.

You will be less prone to knock running cooler; how would you NOT see the benefit to that? I don't "use" or sell them. I tune cars and I use my engineering background to aggregate data from the collective group. It makes trends easy to spot.

Who cares what Nascar does?? This is not Nascar and these engines are not used in an even remotely similar fashion. Nascar uses carbs; why are we bothering with all of this pesky fuel injection when that's clearly what we need? I'm just using your logic and showing that this is a straw man.

And now, cast iron heads "make more power than aluminum"... really.... really?

Don't even IMPLY that I am an amateur here. My tunes are one-offs that don't come out of an SCT can. I bit my tongue when you claimed that VE tuning took "days" (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=19)... it might if you don't know how. I mapped the complete VE and MAF of a 520rwhp car yesterday in just over an hour. Guess what, no "fancy atuo tune' or whatever you are referring to... steady state single cell. You can't even TUNE late model VE with SCT.

Are we a little touchy today

Again your reading more into it than is typed, I never Said I was Exclusively Right.

I said the facts are on a Scale and So Far the Scale is leaning one way.

It is funny how everyone avoids the heart of the discussion and now you attack me to try and prove your self.

Yes Really! Take two Identical heads one in cast iron and one in aluminum and the cast iron head will win out every time, but they are Heavy, hard to fix, hard to port, so they are not as desirable.

So Again where are the advantages?

Your an Engineer, Bring on the Data.

I write all my own tuning I just have different way of doing it and get phenomenal results.

Ease Up a Little it is Just a Discussion!!!

Ted.

[ITGuy11]

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I am totally Open Minded to any and all data regarding the advantages of a 160 stat VS a 192 Stat.

Waiting patiently

Just because someones sell hundreds of them does not mean they are advantageous.

They Sell Millions of Pills on the internet that supposedly add to the Male Genitalia too.

Ted.

Who makes these pills and where can I buy them? Thanks.
Shorty

[NickJRE]

Originally Posted by mulletman

Who makes these pills and where can I buy them? Thanks.
Shorty

LOL!!