Newbie with Auto vs. Manual ?

[LightsoutSS]

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Coupes should be manual, or what's the point? May as well get a Camry.

+1

[3min3m2]

Well, I have owned both, manual first then changed to an auto.
My notes:
1.Auto has lower 1st and 2nd. It's awesome.
2.Manual has clutch issues. Some do, some don't, but mine did. Traded it in and it's still not fixed
3.Manual is not new stick driver friendly. Noone, I mean no one was able to drive it 1st try.
4.Auto is just plain easy. Can pull out in traffic smoother, slide sideways just as easy(if nit easier)
5. Mileage is close. Auto does get a little better, buy not a lot.
6.Remote start. Nothing beats it.

Ultimately, I don't regret getting manual first, but it did cost me a good bit of money. But I am much happier with the auto, even with the exhaust note being quieter.

Good luck, you will enjoy either. You can not drive this car upset, it just won't let ya.

[lindsrt]

Originally Posted by Rage

Its been stated many times... Manual drivers have bigger penises, get more women and live a better quality of life Then manual=respect and control, auto=anyone(including my wife, mainly why I went manual) can drive

LOL!

[lindsrt]

Originally Posted by LightsoutSS

+1

YES, IF IT IS A CAMARO SS IT MUST BE A 6-SPEED!

THOSE WHO DONT HAVE A 6-SPEED MUST NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE ONE?

IF I DIDNT I WOULD LEARN HOW! THE CAR IS MUCH MORE FUN TO DRIVE

AND WHY GIVE UP MORE H.P ? FOR THE SAME MONEY!

[2010 2SS RS]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

The next one I get will be an Auto for sure. They are fast as hell off the line because of the gearing. And after a tune forget about it, the LS3 won't touch it ... IMO

they r just as fast..... the stick will pull on you around high 2nd- 3rd gear because they redline at i think 6900rpm as opposed to 6000rpm on the auto and they r rated a lil faster so it will get more outta the gears as oppsoed to the auto... but the gear ratios r the same on both so i dont think thats why they r fast off the line as you noted plus the stick has launch control my auto doesnt my boy has an stick SS and his launch control has him just ahead of me at start all the time and we got at it like crazy and he barley beats me i do agree though that after a few mods ima be running my buddies stick down and passing him up no problem lol

[SSLarry]

Originally Posted by 3min3m2

Well, I have owned both, manual first then changed to an auto.
My notes:
1.Auto has lower 1st and 2nd. It's awesome.
2.Manual has clutch issues. Some do, some don't, but mine did. Traded it in and it's still not fixed
3.Manual is not new stick driver friendly. Noone, I mean no one was able to drive it 1st try.
4.Auto is just plain easy. Can pull out in traffic smoother, slide sideways just as easy(if nit easier)
5. Mileage is close. Auto does get a little better, buy not a lot.
6.Remote start. Nothing beats it.

Ultimately, I don't regret getting manual first, but it did cost me a good bit of money. But I am much happier with the auto, even with the exhaust note being quieter.

Good luck, you will enjoy either. You can not drive this car upset, it just won't let ya.

1. huh?
2. some do, almost all don't
3. no one? really?
4. exactly. Camrys are easy too.
5. yes. The 4 cyl cut off is a pain, I hear.
6. nothing, except owning an LS3

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by SuperH

Unless you ever intend on driving a non-synchronous manual transmission, there really isn't a "need" for the average Joe Schmoe to understand the mechanics of synchronized transmissions with collars/linkages/baulk rings/etc. versus not having that luxury. I've driven our implements as a kid, which had non-synchronous transmissions. Believe me, if I failed to match at the proper engine revolutions, I knew it. Those things had so much torque that you better have a seatbelt fastened or you could easily be thrown off! Scary stuff. With people being so inattentive these days, the quantity of non-synchronous transmissions on the road need to be minimized. To err is invariably human, and the person text messaging behind you is likely to be ill-prepared for you to accidentally engine and/or jake brake in the middle of the road, or to simply lock up the rear end, by mere accident. Crash, and... game over.

A lot of commercial vehicles are headed to synchronous transmissions because, well, they are robust enough to support both the load, and the occassional driver "f-up". The new International 9800i comes equipped with the Eaton FTS-20112L, which is a fully synchronous standard transmission. This is no "joke" of a setup, as that truck has just south of 1500lb*ft of torque. So, I humbly disagree that there is a necessity for anyone to know how to master a skill which will be deprecated in the future. It is a definite good-to-know, however.

Matching engine revolutions, selecting the proper gear when downshifting, and properly taking off is a challenge enough for most distracted drivers today, sadly enough. I watched a non-synchronous truck yesterday buck through eight gears while accelerating. I thought... "no thanks, I'll stick with my synchronous standard!"

Beyond implement experience, which is completely different than automotive experience, I hadn't had any experience with standard transmissions. The last time I operated an implement was well over ten years ago; all of the vehicles we had were automatics - they were fully loaded Chevrolet/GMC Trucks, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, etc. So, consequently, they had automatics. This synchronized manual transmission has taught me a lot; for one, it is very easy to modulate the clutch, when necessary, and it is very easy to match revolutions. Secondly, it is very much fun to simply move that selector. That is a feeling which I just didn't get when I test drove the vehicle with the paddle shifters. For many of us, it is simply the "feel" of the standard which makes it justifiable enough.

good point!..and very true!..it's part of the "experience".some would consider it an "event physcological"!..but this is ok with me!..i like it!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

I was referring to the M6's being "girly" compared to the old standard trans ...

In another 25 years, none of this will matter much anyway. I think all cars will be autos and standards will be a thing of the past ...

i agree!..they appear to be going away at a fast rate!..people just don't want to
shift in traffic,and with the number of cars on the roads,it is understandable!
i am just so "used" to it,.that it doesn't bother me at all!.."just sayin!"

[mikeSS]

i see it this way... as long as the person who bought a auto can drive and stick and has driven sticks before... then he can say why he picked a auto... honestly if i was older i wouldn't want to be driving a manual any more ...

my dad who is 51 i think maybe 52.. says he has driven manuals his whole life, but when he got older he just doesn't want to drive them any more. if he bought a manual it would have to been a weeken car or something


i have been driving for 3 years. driving stick for 2 years.. its still new for me.. thats why i love it so much

[Caspers2SSRS]

Originally Posted by LightsoutSS

Nope, just a bit disgusted that you would use disabled veterans to try and prove your point. A bit low, if you ask me.

I never mentioned disabled veterans while making a perfectly vaild point, if you ask me your bringing it up certainly could strengthen another valid point , that ones reading, interpretation skills and driving skills may have a direct relationship.

I find it equally disgusting or a hit below the belt as you've inferred by bringing it up, disabled veterans are less skilled or less capable of being skilled at anything that you, I or anyone else might be.

I'd speculate, that you hadn't considered anyone that may be physically handicapped while forming a opinion of yourself as the worlds best driver because you shift a manual transmission.

In conclusion I'd be willing to bet, that on any given day a one armed man or woman, veteran or otherwise, driving a manually or automatic automobile be as skilled a driver on a road course as you are.................

[lindsrt]

Originally Posted by 2010 2SS RS

they r just as fast..... the stick will pull on you around high 2nd- 3rd gear because they redline at i think 6900rpm as opposed to 6000rpm on the auto and they r rated a lil faster so it will get more outta the gears as oppsoed to the auto... but the gear ratios r the same on both so i dont think thats why they r fast off the line as you noted plus the stick has launch control my auto doesnt my boy has an stick SS and his launch control has him just ahead of me at start all the time and we got at it like crazy and he barley beats me i do agree though that after a few mods ima be running my buddies stick down and passing him up no problem lol

NOTE: THE AUTO WEIGHTS MORE THEN THE 6-SPEED MAN
I DONT THINK A AUTO WILL OUT RUN A STICK SHIFT CAR IN
THE CAMARO SS IT IS ALSO WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR?
I HAVE HEARD OF TIMES IN THE 1/4 AROUND 13.60s TO 14.30s
ON THE AUTO AND TIMES ON THE 6-SPD MAN, 12.90s TO 13.50s?
ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT AUTO OR MAN, YOU ARE STILL
GETTING A FAST STOCK CAR THAT TURNS HEADS EVERY WHERE
YOU GO!

[Tommy Pike Customs]

I think a lot depends on preference. I love manuals, but if I'm driving a lot in heavy traffic they suck. It is nice to have that control over the vehicle. Our show car is automatic and it's pretty nasty

[3min3m2]

Originally Posted by SSLarry

1. huh?
2. some do, almost all don't
3. no one? really?
4. exactly. Camrys are easy too.
5. yes. The 4 cyl cut off is a pain, I hear.
6. nothing, except owning an LS3

Ignorance is Bliss. You do understand I owned an LS3 right? all 426 HP of it. and you can tell a difference, the LS3 does have more top end then the L99, but you can also tell the lower torque of the L99.

There are damn near the same motor, everyone is just jumping in this thread for a soap box. Everything I stated was a fact.
1. Look up gear ratios. first in an auto is almost 4.1 IIRC.
2.Yes that is true. But it is enough of a problem, and i guarantee that it would have only gotten worse in my case. As far as i know, the auto has had significantly less, if any, problems then the manuals, both v6 and v8.
3.Dealer techs, family who have driven 100k on there current clutch, every mechanic I've been to, I mean No One--but this was just my LS3
4. so now my Camaro is a Camry huh? I guess 10k in an LS3 doesn't make me a man...you'll understand when you get a woman worth making happy...
5. AFM is fine. Can't even hear it with radio above 9, and you can't beat the addititonal mileage for same car.
6. Nope. Nice warm leather seats on a 30 degree day---I'll take it.

Honestly, when are some of you guys gonna grow up. the 10/11 auto SS have more pull off line and through the early gears then the sticks, and the LS3 only wins due to a little more HP and a better top-end cam. Same cam L99 would at least, at least be an equal.

Believe it or not, my penis didn't shrink when i switch to an auto-at least not according to your mom

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SuperH

Unless you ever intend on driving a non-synchronous manual transmission, there really isn't a "need" for the average Joe Schmoe to understand the mechanics of synchronized transmissions with collars/linkages/baulk rings/etc. versus not having that luxury. I've driven our implements as a kid, which had non-synchronous transmissions. Believe me, if I failed to match at the proper engine revolutions, I knew it. Those things had so much torque that you better have a seatbelt fastened or you could easily be thrown off! Scary stuff. With people being so inattentive these days, the quantity of non-synchronous transmissions on the road need to be minimized. To err is invariably human, and the person text messaging behind you is likely to be ill-prepared for you to accidentally engine and/or jake brake in the middle of the road, or to simply lock up the rear end, by mere accident. Crash, and... game over.

This is the point I have been making in these tireless threads.

These guys who are driving the sticks of today, think they are somehow skilled. lmao

Like I said, shift a lever. Not hard.

I will agree the manual can be funner. But I like to drink my coffee at all times. hahahahahaha.