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mhood · 11-09-2010, 09:19 PM

Is PQ picking on the kids again with viral videos?

I love playing with my stick...it just feels good. And the smell of a burning clutch is something you have to experience to understand...definitely an acquired taste.

Anakin · 11-10-2010, 05:53 PM

Just traded the 2011 2SS Auto for an identically equipped 2011 2SS 6M! With the awesome power of the Stage II Pro-Charger setup, there's no comparison in any sort of high-performance street or track day driving. The auto searches & changes at inopportune times for no apparent reason. When I attempt to utilize manual mode, the down shifts are lethargic and therefore unpredictable. Up shifts are not crisp in all gears, so despite the fact that I don't lose boost the acceleration of the auto is not as fast as the 6M in real world high performance driving. Sudden, unexpected shifts from the auto with the Pro-Charger Stage II power can easily lead to loss of traction and potentially cause an accident when this sort of thing happens in the act of driving through a turn on the edge of adhesion. For everyday putting around town with a burger & drink, I'm gonna miss that Auto, but when it's time to get serious there's no comparison whatsoever. Thus, I've put my money down to make the switch!

Fogey · 11-10-2010, 06:02 PM

Only complaint is the weenie shifters but that will be resolved in Jan or Feb 2011 with aftermarket shifters. Want them now damnit

Caspers2SSRS · 11-10-2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

That's fair. I have driven both as well. Even in the 500+ HP variety. Though 'Boring' is just your opinion, you are right that the M6 is funner.

Its the never ending story line........your "Funner" is just another opinion.

SSLarry · 11-10-2010, 06:21 PM

Ah, the never ending discussion.

... but let's keep it going...

A guy who's heart is set on an L99 could settle for a LS3 if the deal was good. But a guy who's heart is set on an LS3 could NEVER settle for an L99.

It's not about the HP difference or even straight line performance. We're talking about more driving involvement. That's all. Some are content with [P]-clunk-clunk-[D]....steer ...steer... [D]-clunk-clunk-[P]. Other's need more.

And don't talk about paddle shifting. It's just a hindrance that gets in the way of the [P]-clunk-clunk-[D] thing. Not exactly involvement.

flame on

CFD · 11-10-2010, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Ah, the never ending discussion.

... but let's keep it going...

A guy who's heart is set on an L99 could settle for a LS3 if the deal was good. But a guy who's heart is set on an LS3 could NEVER settle for an L99.

It's not about the HP difference or even straight line performance. We're talking about more driving involvement. That's all. Some are content with [P]-clunk-clunk-[D]....steer ...steer... [D]-clunk-clunk-[P]. Other's need more.

And don't talk about paddle shifting. It's just a hindrance that gets in the way of the [P]-clunk-clunk-[D] thing. Not exactly involvement.

flame on

Paddle shifting is only a hindrance because of button location, that has already been resolved. I welcome anyone to drive a car with the buttons on the shifter then speak.

SSLarry · 11-10-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CFD

Paddle shifting is only a hindrance because of button location, that has already been resolved. I welcome anyone to drive a car with the buttons on the shifter then speak.

Well... I did rent an auto V6 for a few days to try out the Camaro's size and features before buying the SS. Does that count?

Already resolved? How?

Caspers2SSRS · 11-10-2010, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Ah, the never ending discussion.

... but let's keep it going...

A guy who's heart is set on an L99 could settle for a LS3 if the deal was good. But a guy who's heart is set on an LS3 could NEVER settle for an L99.

It's not about the HP difference or even straight line performance. We're talking about more driving involvement. That's all. Some are content with [P]-clunk-clunk-[D]....steer ...steer... [D]-clunk-clunk-[P]. Other's need more.

And don't talk about paddle shifting. It's just a hindrance that gets in the way of the [P]-clunk-clunk-[D] thing. Not exactly involvement.

flame on

Interesting assumption and yes I'll admit I own the auto version.............I beg to differ on your blanket statement anyways, I wouldn't own the manual version. Theres also plenty of driver involvement with the A6 equiped Gen5's, watching out for road hazzards ( moving and non moving) comes to mind as well the overall traffic conditions in general, as well the occassional opportunity of dodging a manually shifted automobile whose skilled and involved driver has stalled it in the intersection.

I was remembering the good old days, long before remote controls for TV's and Stereo's............. and I'm trying to recall the last time anyone that I know of complained about not having to get up and rotate a dial.......

CFD · 11-10-2010, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Well... I did rent an auto V6 for a few days to try out the Camaro's size and features before buying the SS. Does that count?

Already resolved? How?

No that doesn't count LOL. Here's how. L99 shifter with tap shift. With this set up braking, accelerating and shifting in and out of corners is simple. You can shift while spinning the wheel going straight or anything in between.

SSLarry · 11-10-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caspers2SSRS

...

I was remembering the good old days, long before remote controls for TV's and Stereo's............. and I'm trying to recall the last time anyone that I know of complained about not having to get up and rotate a dial.......

With that logic, I agree, the auto is best for you.

first one · 11-10-2010, 07:25 PM

This is as bad as Camaro drivers vs Mustang drivers. Maybe we should separate Camaro5 to Camaro5A and Camaro5M! Stop it already!

SSLarry · 11-10-2010, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by first one

This is as bad as Camaro drivers vs Mustang drivers. Maybe we should separate Camaro5 to Camaro5A and Camaro5M! Stop it already!

You are right. We should be happy there is choice.

CFD · 11-10-2010, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

You are right. We should be happy there is choice.

Regardless of manual or auto they are both awsome cars, If I couldn't have one I would get the other.

Caspers2SSRS · 11-10-2010, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

With that logic, I agree, the auto is best for you.

With plenty of experience shifting several awesome power planted muscle cars of an era gone past, I'm appreciating the modern advancements in automotive engineering, which allow these marvels to be driven/operated, easier and consistantly better by a larger audience, logically speaking of course the sales number comparitives of auto verses manually equiped versions add some credence to an otherwise subjective opinion. Having noted....I'm not disregarding the importance of individual and very personal choices, and so you may have yours and I'll have mine..........I'll also reserve the practice of speaking factually for myself and in fact, can't remember asking that you do it for me.........and as my early post only intended to point out contary to your belief otherwise.................Not all L99 Auto owners would own a manual LS3 if it were the only choice, nor either they be less skilled. Enjoy the ride..........I'm enjoying mine.

11-10-2010, 05:53 PM	#142
Anakin From Bowtie to Monster! Drives: '11 SC Camaro 2SS '11 CTS-V Coupe Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Alcoa, TN 37701 Posts: 19	Just traded the 2011 2SS Auto for an identically equipped 2011 2SS 6M! With the awesome power of the Stage II Pro-Charger setup, there's no comparison in any sort of high-performance street or track day driving. The auto searches & changes at inopportune times for no apparent reason. When I attempt to utilize manual mode, the down shifts are lethargic and therefore unpredictable. Up shifts are not crisp in all gears, so despite the fact that I don't lose boost the acceleration of the auto is not as fast as the 6M in real world high performance driving. Sudden, unexpected shifts from the auto with the Pro-Charger Stage II power can easily lead to loss of traction and potentially cause an accident when this sort of thing happens in the act of driving through a turn on the edge of adhesion. For everyday putting around town with a burger & drink, I'm gonna miss that Auto, but when it's time to get serious there's no comparison whatsoever. Thus, I've put my money down to make the switch! __________________ ANAKIN Transformation of Camaro5 SS into a Powerful Sith Monster! Eibach Pro Kit KW Variant 3 Hawk Pads BMR Arms Hotchkis Braces CCW 505 20x10F & 20x11.5R Pro-Charger Stage II Intercooled Supercharger Kooks Stainless 2" Primary Header Kooks Stainless 3" Exhaust w/Crossover MTI Short Shifter 9" Dual Disk Clutch & Aluminum Flywheel -Mike Akard

11-10-2010, 06:02 PM	#143
Fogey Drives: 2011 2SS/RS A6, IOM Join Date: May 2009 Location: West Los Angeles Posts: 1,242	Love the auto Only complaint is the weenie shifters but that will be resolved in Jan or Feb 2011 with aftermarket shifters. Want them now damnit

11-10-2010, 06:21 PM	#145
SSLarry Drives: 2SS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 1,309	Ah, the never ending discussion. ... but let's keep it going... A guy who's heart is set on an L99 could settle for a LS3 if the deal was good. But a guy who's heart is set on an LS3 could NEVER settle for an L99. It's not about the HP difference or even straight line performance. We're talking about more driving involvement. That's all. Some are content with [P]-clunk-clunk-[D]....steer ...steer... [D]-clunk-clunk-[P]. Other's need more. And don't talk about paddle shifting. It's just a hindrance that gets in the way of the [P]-clunk-clunk-[D] thing. Not exactly involvement. flame on __________________ 2010 CGM 2SS LS3, born: 4/10

11-10-2010, 07:25 PM	#151
first one Drives: SSRS - black, GFX, SSX wheels Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: IN Posts: 936	This is as bad as Camaro drivers vs Mustang drivers. Maybe we should separate Camaro5 to Camaro5A and Camaro5M! Stop it already! __________________

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11-09-2010, 09:19 PM	#141
mhood Orange Camaros Rule! Drives: 2010 1SS LS3 RS IOM Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,559	Is PQ picking on the kids again with viral videos? I love playing with my stick...it just feels good. And the smell of a burning clutch is something you have to experience to understand...definitely an acquired taste.