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2010 SS RS · 01-01-2011, 08:17 AM

I love these posts..As I sit and read thru it shaking my head seeming to know the answers....lol

Point 1. he never said it was at a sanctioned track. Thus it is probably a couple rich kids on some street doing a rolling start from the honk of a horn. Pretty official results eh?

Point 2. Driver is a huge variable. I have seen the exact car be 1.5 seconds different on a 1/4 mile.

Point 3. I have never seen a Stock vs Stock race at a track not having the Camaro come out on top.

Fraxum · 01-01-2011, 09:17 AM

I bought my SS over the 5.0. I drove both. I am happy with my choice.

I also share the opinion that a matchup is probably a driver race.

But it also seems to me that in the right hands the Mustang is far easier to get into the 12s. And the 5.0 autos are getting unreal mph numbers.

Consider this:

5.0 - 3620/412=8.79 lb/hp
SS - 3850/425=9.06 lb/hp

(both cars make pretty close to advertised HP at the crank)

8.79/9.06 = 3% power to weight advantage for the Mustang

The Mustang has a better power to weight ratio and more aggressive gearing. It should be a little faster.

Big deal. Add a CAI and a Race Scoop and you can pick up 15 RWHP to go 5.0 hunting. (8.75 lb/hp)

Just stay away from Mustangs with a CAI.

Speedfreak · 01-01-2011, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

The LS3 Manual requires a very skilled driver to run fast times.

What did he run at the track (60', 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, trap speed)? That's the only way to know if he had a good run.

Lots of guys run crappy times (especially in LS3 M6s), because they can't drive all that well.

With average to below average drivers behind the wheel, an automatic has a nice advantage.

This. When the LS1 F-Bodies first came out, a lot of guys were running low 14's and bitching their ride was slow

KJinni · 01-01-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Roadandtrack.com put the Mustang V6 faster around a track (139.6 vs 141.2 sec), BUT... the mustang included $2,000 of factory track upgrades (not offered on Camaro), bringing mustang's price to $3000 more overall.

But none of that $2000 in extras had anything to do with 0-60 times, which the mustang clearly wins: 5.4 to 5.9 seconds. Half a second is half a second any way you cut it. A clear win. It seems 290 lbs lighter with the same power and torque will do that.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...rd-mustang-v-6

....this further reinforces my belief that GM should have a "track pack" for the Camaro. It would definitely make us more competitive. Im not saying the camaro would get a faster 0-60, but it might handle better on a course. Interesting link though.

rtcat600man · 01-01-2011, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Roadandtrack.com put the Mustang V6 faster around a track (139.6 vs 141.2 sec), BUT... the mustang included $2,000 of factory track upgrades (not offered on Camaro), bringing mustang's price to $3000 more overall.

But none of that $2000 in extras had anything to do with 0-60 times, which the mustang clearly wins: 5.4 to 5.9 seconds. Half a second is half a second any way you cut it. A clear win. It seems 290 lbs lighter with the same power and torque will do that.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...rd-mustang-v-6

I call

on ROT AND TRENCH. If they truly tested a 2LT then something is NOT correct. The limiter on the 2LT is NOT 118 MPH. Just saying.

Thanks

mikeSS · 01-01-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rtcat600man

I call

on ROT AND TRENCH. If they truly tested a 2LT then something is NOT correct. The limiter on the 2LT is NOT 118 MPH. Just saying.

Thanks

whats the top speed have anything to do with the 0-60 run then tested...

mikeSS · 01-01-2011, 04:28 PM

my friend with a 5.0L has the same mods i do and got the same HP on a dyno. at livernois motorsports. and we all know they are correct on the numbers, the point is the 5.0L has more then 412 HP stock... the car underrated why ?

rtcat600man · 01-01-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

whats the top speed have anything to do with the 0-60 run then tested...

Read the article and you will see they talk about hitting the limiter which is at 118. Well it's not.

rtcat600man · 01-01-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeSS

my friend with a 5.0L has the same mods i do and got the same HP on a dyno. at livernois motorsports. and we all know they are correct on the numbers, the point is the 5.0L has more then 412 HP stock... the car underrated why ?

Have you been down a 1/4 mile track yet? Raced your buddy yet. Just asking?

PQ · 01-01-2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stikSS

Me and my club have been to the track multiple times with the new 5.0's and have yet to lose. I have video on YouTube of a LS3 with headers, and cold air blistering a 2011 mustang with cold air, headers, tune, and gears.... the mustangs are nowhere close to as fast as ppl think.... we see em all the time at the track.

Sent from my EVO 4G

Why reference a you tube video and not post a link?

I'm interested.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeSS

i love my camaro, i am not hating on it.. but i am not going to be some biased chevy owner

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyDan

who cares mustang still blows and looks just as crappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by stikSS

Make the Camaro mirror the weight, handling, and 10 more HP and see who wins!!???

Come on man. You just changed the whole car. All things being equal and stock for stock, the new GT is a tad faster car. Throw some headers and a tune and fill the gap.

mr. anderson · 01-01-2011, 04:49 PM

I have both, and I love em both (and my daily driver is the camaro), I'll tell ya, I'm not the best drag racer but decent, my best run in the 5.0 was 12.85@ 110. there is a lot more in the car with just the engine stock. I think with a correct suspension and drag radials set up low 12's would be very easy. both the runs were in done in september a week apart and I got about 25 runs on both cars. they were the first time at the track with both of them. took the camaro one weekend then the mustang the next.

my best stock times in the camaro were 13.18 @108.
stock for stock the stang is faster and quicker in the quarter mile, at least with the 3.73's.

rtcat600man · 01-01-2011, 05:07 PM

Somebody better tell these guys they are cheating then. They are running to fast for a stock Camaro. NOT........

Way to go GUYS. Keep up the good work.

Nice Runs.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

blufin · 01-01-2011, 05:48 PM

Your friend needs more seat time. This should be a driver's race.

PQ · 01-01-2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtcat600man

Somebody better tell these guys they are cheating then.

Right, because the GTs are not running those times too right?

What do thoes that time sheet have to do with the Fords?

Stock GTs are running low 12s as well. 12.58 as a mater of fact. And that's the auto tranny.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...k-results.html

01-01-2011, 08:17 AM	#2353
2010 SS RS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IBM Black Polished Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,106	I love these posts..As I sit and read thru it shaking my head seeming to know the answers....lol Point 1. he never said it was at a sanctioned track. Thus it is probably a couple rich kids on some street doing a rolling start from the honk of a horn. Pretty official results eh? Point 2. Driver is a huge variable. I have seen the exact car be 1.5 seconds different on a 1/4 mile. Point 3. I have never seen a Stock vs Stock race at a track not having the Camaro come out on top. __________________ 418 Stroker, 621RWHP 648 lbs TORQUE Built by Laramie GM Auto Center Tuned by Nick at Mac Autosport. EForce SC, 2 3/4pulley,LPE dual fuel pump, JRE Twin fuel rail upgrade, posi clutch kit, RX oilcatch can and breather, Callies Compstar crankshaft and rods, Racing bearings, CP -13.8 race pistons, steel rings, Comp Cams X6 blower cam, Springs, HD timing chain and tensioner, Doug Thorley Tri Y LT headers, 89.7lb injectors, RPM rollbar, DSS1400 shafts, Simpson 5 pt harness, BMR Toe rods and trailing arms, led lights, RPM input and output shafts

01-01-2011, 09:17 AM	#2354
Fraxum Drives: a M6 LT1 ordered From Becky!!! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,520	I bought my SS over the 5.0. I drove both. I am happy with my choice. I also share the opinion that a matchup is probably a driver race. But it also seems to me that in the right hands the Mustang is far easier to get into the 12s. And the 5.0 autos are getting unreal mph numbers. Consider this: 5.0 - 3620/412=8.79 lb/hp SS - 3850/425=9.06 lb/hp (both cars make pretty close to advertised HP at the crank) 8.79/9.06 = 3% power to weight advantage for the Mustang The Mustang has a better power to weight ratio and more aggressive gearing. It should be a little faster. Big deal. Add a CAI and a Race Scoop and you can pick up 15 RWHP to go 5.0 hunting. (8.75 lb/hp) Just stay away from Mustangs with a CAI. __________________ "Democracy Dies in Darkness" My LT1 Keeper ..... ..... My Car Blog CarPlayList, a free App to build USB and Android Music drives.

01-01-2011, 05:07 PM	#2364
rtcat600man having FUN now 13.66@101 Drives: 2010 2LT IOM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clarkston, Michigan Posts: 9,230 View My Garage	Somebody better tell these guys they are cheating then. They are running to fast for a stock Camaro. NOT........ Way to go GUYS. Keep up the good work. Nice Runs. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013 Attached Images __________________ MY BUILD

01-01-2011, 05:48 PM	#2365
blufin Drives: Fire Engine Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: WPB, Florida Posts: 1,415	Your friend needs more seat time. This should be a driver's race. __________________ 12.618 @ 110.75 Bone Stock 1/4 mile 8.165 @ 86.52 Bone Stock 1/8 mile 11.189 @ 124.44 on a 1.73 60' TVS2300 3.4 pulley, JRE tuned, Kooks LT headers and HF cats, MBRP catback exhaust, CAI intake, ADM scoop. Stock wheels/tires. Sold

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mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	my friend with a 5.0L has the same mods i do and got the same HP on a dyno. at livernois motorsports. and we all know they are correct on the numbers, the point is the 5.0L has more then 412 HP stock... the car underrated why ?

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mr. anderson Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 113	I have both, and I love em both (and my daily driver is the camaro), I'll tell ya, I'm not the best drag racer but decent, my best run in the 5.0 was 12.85@ 110. there is a lot more in the car with just the engine stock. I think with a correct suspension and drag radials set up low 12's would be very easy. both the runs were in done in september a week apart and I got about 25 runs on both cars. they were the first time at the track with both of them. took the camaro one weekend then the mustang the next. my best stock times in the camaro were 13.18 @108. stock for stock the stang is faster and quicker in the quarter mile, at least with the 3.73's.