Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Dalefj

And by the way PQ... BOOMER

SOONER...........

And I agree about the REGs. Maybe that's the difference. But if you look around you'll see that wether it's at the track, or the various different tests, the stock GT seems to be a tad faster. I've seen where the Camaros can beat it. And it's for the most part a drivers race. It's splitting hairs really, but the new GT is a fast car.

[SLOWHITE]

Originally Posted by VTimHokie85

chicks dig the Camaro. End of thread.

Do you think a "chick" will dig you after you loose a race?

That seems to be the attitude of a lot of Camaro owners, at least the ones I've seen. They are more concerned about looking good with a "cool" car, as opposed to most Mustang drivers I've seen lately who don't give a sheeott about what people think, and would rather have a better performing car. And based on my small slice of reality, the Mustang is the car to have if you want to go fast(er).

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SLOWHITE

Do you think a "chick" will dig you after you loose a race?

I had an interesting conversation with a friend about this....how women-at-large really don't get half a rat's a$$ about the cars. And so all the mods and races to 'impress' actually attract.....other men....

[SLOWHITE]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I had an interesting conversation with a friend about this....how women-at-large really don't get half a rat's a$$ about the cars. And so all the mods and races to 'impress' actually attract.....other men....

That's what I'm kinda sayin, but was trying to be a bit more subtle.lol. Basically, why is it there are so many Camaro owners that are self concious pretty boys that mod there car just to impress, and the Mustang guys I've seen don't give a crap about what anybody thinks.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SLOWHITE

That's what I'm kinda sayin, but was trying to be a bit more subtle.lol. Basically, why is it there are so many Camaro owners that are self concious pretty boys that mod there car just to impress, and the Mustang guys I've seen don't give a crap about what anybody thinks.

I dunno. My experiences have enough of both kinds of people from each camp.

[mrray13]

I, for one, am glad that Ford stepped it up and made my Camaro the slower of the two. Now I get to spend more money to make it faster, lol.

It's been said more then once, it goes back and forth. In 2010, the Camaro was the faster car, wasn't even close, in both v6 and v8 forms. In the 2011 MY, Ford gets the win, in both v6 and v8 forms, and while I don't think the difference between the two cars is as bad as in 2010, there is still a difference. And while the better Camaro drivers out there will definitely make it a driver's race, that'll be the exception, not the rule. The rule will be that the 2011 Mustang is quicker then the 2011 Camaro.

What happens in 8 months when the 2012s come out? That's the one where Chevy will need to step up it's game, and not just rest on what it has.

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by SSLarry

Mustang is lighter, handles better. It's also more dainty, and apparently has a thinner steering wheel that fits better in women's hands.

When Ford has to do everything in it's power to design a car thats been in production for 6 years that only comes close to Chevy's first run, says enough to make me a proud Camaro owner.

[66olds442]

Also how does the HPE650 absolutly destroy the GT500 when the Camaro is weaker, heavier and cheaper? Does anyone else think that the Shelby was poorly designed?

[Shadowsong]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

Also how does the HPE650 absolutly destroy the GT500 when the Camaro is weaker, heavier and cheaper? Does anyone else think that the Shelby was poorly designed?

How in the WORLD can you compare an AFTERMARKET TUNED car to a Showroom stock car? that's just silly.

If you are referring to the motortrend test of the camaro, super snake, and speed factory challenger... again, the shelby is still a showroom stock vehicle, supersnake or not. Shelby mustangs are sold through ford dealers, so they still have certain limitations, and guidelines that they have to follow. Hennessey on the other hand, does not. They do not have to sell their vehicles at a dealership, (good luck finding one, at a dealership.. new or used.) so the only thing limiting them is the cash in their customers hand. Nothing against Hennessey, they do great work, but if you are going to compare their camaro to a GT500, let THEM build the GT500 themselves too, don't a showroom stock shelby.

For what it's worth, the camaro is NOT heavier than the pre-2011 GT500.

The only truly poor thing about the shelbys design, is the size and stickyness of the tires.

[Shadowsong]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

When Ford has to do everything in it's power to design a car thats been in production for 6 years that only comes close to Chevy's first run, says enough to make me a proud Camaro owner.

It's all about competition, Yes the mustang has been around for years, the camaro has not, it took a small vacation. Because of the small vacation, the mustang had no real competition, so it didn't see major improvements over the years in terms of power. I wouldn't say ford "did everything in it's power" to "come close" to chevy's first run. They simply used the down time with no competition to develop a very high tech, very efficient motor, and waited for the camaro's stats to finalize the motor's current output numbers. There is a lot left in the motor, so it's far from "all of ford's power". Hell, the BOSS 302 isn't even all of ford's "power" but I'm fairly certain it would annihilate a camaro.

Any of the big three could easily make their respective pony car the end all be all of the pony cars, but that ruins the competition, which is good for all brands, and it also ruins their price point for said car.

For example, Dodge could easily redesign the challenger on a lighter, more nimble platform, use carbon fiber body panels, and other light weight materials to make the car sub 3500lbs maybe even lighter, and drop the viper v10 in to it.
Would it kill Mustangs? Yup.
Camaros? You betcha.
Even corvettes? It would more than likely give the ZR-1 a run for it's money.
Would it cost more than the current SRT-8? You bet your ass it would.

A car of that caliber would be exotic car territory in price and performance, ruining the initial intent and price point of the car.

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

How in the WORLD can you compare an AFTERMARKET TUNED car to a Showroom stock car? that's just silly.

What is Shelby? A "performance car company" They are NOT a division of Ford and never have been. They TUNE base model Mustangs into a Shelby. As to them needing stickier tires.... How could a Performance car company overlook getting it's power to the ground? Isn't that the most important aspect of a Performance Tuned car?

If someone strapped a Supercharger on their Camaro it would still be thousands cheaper and still as fast (or close to) as the GT500

Here are the hard facts from the Motor Trend review(s)

GT500 Super Snake and HPE650
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/specs.html

GT500 and HPE550
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt8/specs.html

Feel free to look at the weight on both of those camaros compared to the GT500... the Camaro is only lighter in the HPE650 vs Super Snake by 20 lbs

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

It's all about competition...

For example, Dodge could easily redesign the challenger on a lighter, more nimble platform, use carbon fiber body panels, and other light weight materials to make the car sub 3500lbs maybe even lighter, and drop the viper v10 in to it.
Would it kill Mustangs? Yup.
Camaros? You betcha.
Even corvettes? It would more than likely give the ZR-1 a run for it's money.
Would it cost more than the current SRT-8? You bet your ass it would.

A car of that caliber would be exotic car territory in price and performance, ruining the initial intent and price point of the car.

I agree completely, does Ford have a pretty killer car for a little over 30K right now? Yes it does!
Will Chevy have to step up their game in both the V6 and V8 models? They damn well better!

I love close competition because in the end the buyer wins every single time.

I prefer to compare cars on price point especially with these cars, as if I really wanted to smoke any Mustang on the road I'd go for a tuned ZR-1. But I'm in my 20's and the Camaro is damn sexy and gives me exactly what I want for my money.

[Shadowsong]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

What is Shelby? A "performance car company" They are NOT a division of Ford and never have been. They TUNE base model Mustangs into a Shelby. As to them needing stickier tires.... How could a Performance car company overlook getting it's power to the ground? Isn't that the most important aspect of a Performance Tuned car?

If someone strapped a Supercharger on their Camaro it would still be thousands cheaper and still as fast (or close to) as the GT500

Here are the hard facts from the Motor Trend review(s)

GT500 Super Snake and HPE650
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/specs.html

GT500 and HPE550
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt8/specs.html

Feel free to look at the weight on both of those camaros compared to the GT500... the Camaro is only lighter in the HPE650 vs Super Snake by 20 lbs

I should have worded that a little clearer, Shelby isn't a division of ford, BUT (as far as I know anyway... could be making an ass of myself) the only place to actually PURCHASE a shelby car is through a ford dealership. If I remember correctly (it's been a while since I've read this, could be wrong...again..lol) but the GT500 (not the super snake) is actually an SVT vehicle, not a true shelby, meaning it is, in fact built by a division of ford, through their in house tuning team. I can't comment on the super snake, because I don't know weather that is a true shelby, or still an SVT vehicle.

I do agree, it is absolutely insane that the tires on the shelby are so pathetic when you look at the rest of the car.. who knows what they were thinking?

It would be cheaper and faster to buy an SS and strap a blower on it as opposed to buying a GT500, but there is much more to the HPE camaro MT tested than the blower.

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hpe650camaro.html

That is the Hennessey page for the HPE650, so looking at that There are some "extra" add ons to the kit. Including suspension, and "light weight" wheels (which I assume come with sticky tires). Now, Hennessey wants their car to look good in the article, so of course the send the HPE650 with ALL the little extras, and if I had to guess, that put the price fairly even +/- a few $100 with the GT500, if it didn't outprice it totally.

A Camaro with the 'base' HPE package will more than likely come very close to a GT500 (non-supersnake) price and would lose a lot of it's non-straight line performance because it lacked the 'extras' (suspension, mostly).

A camaro with just a supercharger (no HPE pack, no other supporting mods) Would be cheaper, might be faster in a drag race, but would fall (slightly) behind on any other type of track (or road)

Disclaimer: The only part of this post that I did any type of research on was the link to the HPE650 from Hennessey, The rest was based on speculation, or prior knowledge. I fully understand some of, if not all of this could be VERY wrong. It's all in fun though right?

[2010 2-Tone]

Originally Posted by Smart Line

saw a 11 stang with CA andstock pipes & tune. run 11.80's STREET TIRES!

did not CARE my car looks and drives BETTER!

Absolutly no way this happen!!!!!