Ford: Yes, Camaro will outsell Mustang this year

[syr74]

Originally Posted by ghazzi1397

Im not trying to defend GM and bash Ford, but the only reason Ford survived is because they mortgaged every single asset that they own to raise money to survive. Analysts agree that even though GM went through bankruptcy it is much healthier financially than Ford.

No they don't, not even remotely. As for 'mortgaging' every single asset, this always leaves me scratching my head. What would you think is better, mortgaging your house and selling your new car to get yourself back into financial shape or filing for bankruptcy?

As for Camaro sales, Chevy designed a car that has appeal to the market and which made a splash particularly among a long-deprivedroup of loyalists, and now they are reaping the rewards. The Z/28 will be another success story for 2011 as it will almost certainly be the uber-muscle car to beat next year.

[RAY-RAY]

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[syr74]

Originally Posted by RAY-RAY

Must
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Supercharger or
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GM's

I thought the 2011 GT worked just fine without one, or are we living in the past?

[Rickerbucks]

Originally Posted by ghazzi1397

Im not trying to defend GM and bash Ford, but the only reason Ford survived is because they mortgaged every single asset that they own to raise money to survive. Analysts agree that even though GM went through bankruptcy it is much healthier financially than Ford.

And this is the TERRIBLE problem with bankruptcy in the US. Ford managed their affairs, arranged their debt, planned ahead, made contingencies against disaster and thus "managed" the firm well.

Now they have to compete against a company that did none of those things and has had the fairy godmother magically vaporize their debt so now GM comes out as a lean mean fighting machine.

This is the same thing that happens in the airline industry. Badly managed companies somehow manage to re-float to compete against the companies that DID manage their business well and are able to undercut the companies that WERE doing well so they ALL end up gong down.

one mans humble opinion

I love GM (product) but to talk ANY smack against Ford is not right.

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by wbt

Possibly....they are competitive....~7K in sales differentiate the 2 cars. I would not call that a miss on Ford's part. Performance is the key for me. The Mustang wins hands down period.

With roughly $1.5K in mods I have an 11 sec. reliable daily driver WITH A WARRANTY. To get that in my Camaro would have resulted in a $6.5K spend and a drivetrain warranty left in the dust.

Numbers don't lie...

Enjoy your dyno/garage queens.

Love it when the ford fanboys react to such news. Numbers is what this guy relies on as he drives his butt-ugly mustang around and no one notices. Reminds me of my co-worker who goes on and on about his 5.0 (nice care actually), but can't get over the attention the camaros are getting. Lots of Sweet 11-second camaros around. I wonder if they're worrying about the extra $5K they potentially spent--which is what this ford guy plants his whole argument on? Probably not, as they smoke most cars on the road and still get the head-turning attention they love. To each his own, but it is funny to read through the envy that bleeds thru these comments

[RAY-RAY]

Originally Posted by syr74

I thought the 2011 GT worked just fine without one, or are we living in the past?

yeah, that's what you thought......

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by Rickerbucks

And this is the TERRIBLE problem with bankruptcy in the US. Ford managed their affairs, arranged their debt, planned ahead, made contingencies against disaster and thus "managed" the firm well.

Now they have to compete against a company that did none of those things and has had the fairy godmother magically vaporize their debt so now GM comes out as a lean mean fighting machine.

This is the same thing that happens in the airline industry. Badly managed companies somehow manage to re-float to compete against the companies that DID manage their business well and are able to undercut the companies that WERE doing well so they ALL end up gong down.

one mans humble opinion

I love GM (product) but to talk ANY smack against Ford is not right.

I'm with you on this one. Mulally did a good job to turn things around. wasn't pretty, factories closing, thousands and thousands of layoffs, Billions of dollars "borrowed". but it was necessary and he was smart enough to do this before the financial crisis.

[coolman]

63 posts but the fact remains that the Camaro will out sale the mustang for 2010 ,and after all isn't that what this thread is supposed to be about.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by coolman

63 posts but the fact remains that the Camaro will out sale the mustang for 2010 ,and after all isn't that what this thread is supposed to be about.

Back on Topic, the recent trend shows that next year will be an interesting sales match-up. From January thru April, the Camaro sold 9,000 more cars than the Mustang (previous model). After April and the release of the 5.0, Ford has actually sold ~2k more cars than GM. Just one of many yardsticks anyway, I would prefer to sell less units at higher margin... that is the important number we cannot see.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Back on Topic, the recent trend shows that next year will be an interesting sales match-up. From January thru April, the Camaro sold 9,000 more cars than the Mustang (previous model). After April and the release of the 5.0, Ford has actually sold ~2k more cars than GM. Just one of many yardsticks anyway, I would prefer to sell less units at higher margin... that is the important number we cannot see.

That would be good for ford if that's what's happening. At least in my area, there are a lot of camaro's sitting on lots with deep discounts posted on them ,but really I don't see hardly any 5.0 mustangs for sale. I not saying they are selling either. I thinks dealer aren't getting them in because they don't what stuck with them like they were with the 2010's. If gas keeps its upward trend, I think all these cars are in trouble.

[Entaille]

wbt - surely you are not this naive. insurance quotes range wildly from area to area, car to car, person to person.

to try to claim one car is cheaper to insure when they are in the same category .. obviously false.

remember, the camaro was gone for nearly a decade, while one of, if not the most popular sportscars on the market stuck around depreciating. this allowed teens to drive them and run them into walls.

being one of the few who cross shopped both of them, the insurance was about 60$ less per 6 months for the Camaro, for me. this will change for everyone based on location/car/history/insurance carrier blah blah.

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Back on Topic, the recent trend shows that next year will be an interesting sales match-up. From January thru April, the Camaro sold 9,000 more cars than the Mustang (previous model). After April and the release of the 5.0, Ford has actually sold ~2k more cars than GM. Just one of many yardsticks anyway, I would prefer to sell less units at higher margin... that is the important number we cannot see.

are you an ididot? or do you choose to be dense.... we went though this already with the 2010's selling for 8 g's off msrp

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Z/28orSs

are you an ididot? or do you choose to be dense.... we went though this already with the 2010's selling for 8 g's off msrp

Huh? Do you have something meaningful to add? Didn't think so. Thanks for almost living up to lowered expectations..........

[syr74]

Originally Posted by RAY-RAY

yeah, that's what you thought......

So those 12.3 and 12.4 second 1/4 miles the GT's have been turning in are all imaginary? Folks who live in obvious denial of reality never cease to amaze me.