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Old 01-07-2011, 12:31 PM   #2591
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I'm packing up my Shelby right now to go to Friday afternoon test and tune at Sacramento Raceway, you should come out its great DA today and no waiting like Wednesday night. I'm taking off right now and maybe I will see you there.

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I'm hoping the NHRA tech guy isnt there today so they wont kick me out for not having a cage.
U lucky bastod!! California weather must be nice.. It's 30 degrees out here right now with ice on the roads lol...
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:39 PM   #2592
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I'm packing up my Shelby right now to go to Friday afternoon test and tune at Sacramento Raceway, you should come out its great DA today and no waiting like Wednesday night. I'm taking off right now and maybe I will see you there.

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I'm hoping the NHRA tech guy isnt there today so they wont kick me out for not having a cage.

Wish I still lived in Sacramento. I'd of loved to meet you there with my 442 and camaro for some fun racing.
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:48 PM   #2593
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Wow. Just wow.. For one, to say the C6 is nothing more than a lightweight Camaro is ludicrous so I wont even go deeper into this one.. Just plain stupid. 2, the GT500 actually did receive a few changes from the 2010 to the 2011..

The changes from 2010 to 2011 for the GT500 have been discussed in EXTREME length on here, especially when looking at comparisons of the GT500's vs camaro. There is obviously a huge reason why the 2010 GT500 was only a tad faster than the stock SS and now the 2011 GT500 has a significant advantage over the stock SS.

As for the BASE Corvette being a lightweight version of the Camaro... well it sort of is taking the basic of basic (no options added) corvette. Yes, the Corvette is on a different chassis meant to handle a lot more power than the base model offers. But again what do you want us to compare to a "Stock" GT500 when it's $12K more than a completely optioned out Camaro?

What if I came into your fanboy forum and threw up a comparison between the V6 base stang and a Camaro SS? Would that not be as stupid as comparing the GT500 (which is in its own class ATM) to an SS?
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:45 PM   #2594
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Wow. Just wow.. For one, to say the C6 is nothing more than a lightweight Camaro is ludicrous so I wont even go deeper into this one.. Just plain stupid. 2, the GT500 actually did receive a few changes from the 2010 to the 2011.. If I'm not mistaken the front end got lighter due to them going with an aluminum block, unlike the previous years which had an iron block. Although the new engine only gained them like 10 extra horses, the front end lost over 100lbs. They also received suspension upgrades with an optional track pack, and EPAS(electric power assist steering). It also received exhaust headers like the ones used on the 5.0L.. Not all major changes, but an overall weight reduction and an aluminum block are somewhat major improvements in my book.. it's not like they just changed headlights or something like that..

I like all three of the muscle cars coming from Chevy, Dodge, and Ford.. Not to mention how the Charger is always overlooked just because it has 4 doors..
Well..... since there is no competetion from chevrolet to the Mustang 5.0 and the untouchable GT500 ...... How come nobody has replied to the youtube video of the Cadillac CTS V vs GT500 i posted yesterday??? I'm ready hear how many people say thats not a fair comparison.... but for you blue oval boys... you better get ready cause thats what gonna roll right on by the untouchable GT500 when its planted right in the frame of that Z28

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Old 01-07-2011, 03:07 PM   #2595
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Pedders has already benchmark tested both the Camaro and Mustang. They are a drivers race apart bone stock and highly modified.

We know that the Camaro has stronger monocoque.
We know that the Camaro IRS puts power down more effectively in the corners.
We know that the stock Camaro brakes are better than the Mustang.
We know that the Mustang is lighter.
We know that the Mustang is lighter.
We know that the Mustang is lighter.

Highly modified, the vehicles are a dead heat, but on the day we had Hot Rod track side the Camaro won. Does the knew 5.0 change anything. We were making higher RWHP than the 500 and more RWHP wouldn't matter as the Mustang struggled to put down the RWHP we had. The Torsen differential in the Boss 502 would make a difference in the results, but then we could change out the diff in the Camaro.

The factual answer is the Mustang and Camaro are a dead heat and that is good for the Muscle Car lovers everywhere. If you think one is a slam dunk over the other you are looking through Ford of Chevrolet tinted glasses.









It is an NBA adage. You can't coach height. On the track you can't coach weight. You can work around it, but a pound is a pound.

Which car is my favorite? That is a really tough call. They are very different drivers. The Mustang is a light weight throw it around bad axx car. The Camaro talks to you and tells you exactly what is is doing and a bad axx car. There are days I want to drive the Mustang and days I want to drive the Camaro. I give a slight edge to the Camaro because of the incredibly sound monocoque and IRS.
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:39 PM   #2596
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There's a big difference between a 2010 mustang and a 2011 mustang....even from saleen. While I agree that the 2010 was a closer race then people stated (especially with the l99), the 2011 gt is a better performance vehicle, in all aspects.
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:45 PM   #2597
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Ya but its still a mustang, and mustangs suck
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:46 PM   #2598
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There's a big difference between a 2010 mustang and a 2011 mustang....even from saleen. While I agree that the 2010 was a closer race then people stated (especially with the l99), the 2011 gt is a better performance vehicle, in all aspects.
What is the big difference?
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:55 PM   #2599
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I'm packing up my Shelby right now to go to Friday afternoon test and tune at Sacramento Raceway, you should come out its great DA today and no waiting like Wednesday night. I'm taking off right now and maybe I will see you there.

Gone racing
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I'm hoping the NHRA tech guy isnt there today so they wont kick me out for not having a cage.
That would be sweet if I didn't have to work. That and I'd need to borrow a set of DRs. These Toyo Proxes are horrible when leaving from a dig. I would like to meet up with you one day and run you to see how close we are.

The cage is mandatory for 10.99 and faster right?

Good luck on your runs tonight!
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:58 PM   #2600
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What is the big difference?

I think he might mean the 2011 GT is a much better performer than a 2010 GT and in that case he's correct. The performance of the the 2011 Camaro SS vs the 2011 Mustang GT is much closer than the 2010 SS vs the 2010 GT.

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Old 01-07-2011, 04:01 PM   #2601
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That would be sweet if I didn't have to work. That and I'd need to borrow a set of DRs. These Toyo Proxes are horrible when leaving from a dig. I would like to meet up with you one day and run you to see how close we are.

The cage is mandatory for 10.99 and faster right?

Good luck on your runs tonight!
Current NHRA regs state that at least a 6 or 8 point cage is mandatory for 10.99 or faster. More extensive cages are required for 9.99 and faster .
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Old 01-07-2011, 04:03 PM   #2602
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The point is.... Ford has never had a car without bolting a SC on it that would hang with a Camaro in modern time.... thats going back to the beginning of the 4th Gen Camaro. The only thing that they had goin for em was the SVT Cobra in 03 / 04...which was SC'd,...
Keep in mind they didn't have to compete with the Camaro from 2003-2009.

And I don't consider the 80s ancient history, and 5.0s were beating Camaros left and right during that time. It must suck to be an older Camaro fanboi, they've had to fear the 5.0 badge TWICE in their lifetime.
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Current NHRA regs state that at least a 6 or 8 point cage is mandatory for 10.99 or faster. More extensive cages are required for 9.99 and faster .
That's what I thought, but wanted to make sure.

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Keep in mind they didn't have to compete with the Camaro from 2003-2009.

And I don't consider the 80s ancient history, and 5.0s were beating Camaros left and right during that time. It must suck to be an older Camaro fanboi, they've had to fear the 5.0 badge TWICE in their lifetime.
No need to fear anything. Respect maybe, but not fear.
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