Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[tnspd]

This poor guy (Mustang) had to race me twice because just could not believe I beat him the first time. LOL

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by tnspd

This poor guy (Mustang) had to race me twice because just could not believe I beat him the first time. LOL

Can you really blame him? I mean come on a simple tune and a set of drag radials makes any GT an 11 second terror.

[tnspd]

Yea in their mind, but not on the track! LOL

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by tnspd

Yea in their mind, but not on the track! LOL

Did you not see the posts above where people have stated the Mustang is superb in every way and it's a fact!

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by tnspd

Yea in their mind, but not on the track! LOL

All you've proved is that depending on your mods is that you're a better driver than the guys you've gone up against. In the 30
+ years I've been going to the track I've seen all kinds of bizarre shit go down.Heck I've seen guys manage no better than low 14's out of a GT500 and low 13's in C6 Z06's On my first run in my old 2006 GT I only ran a 14.50 and beat a C5 Z06 that ran a 14.70 going 10 mph faster than me in the traps. More to it than just the car dude and all the power in the world does you little good if you don't have the skill to put it down. Believe it or not Camaros have lost races to Mustangs and I guess all the videos of guys running 11's and 12's in bolt on 2011 Mustangs are fake. I was unable to see any 1/4 mile times in your vids.
Hey this is after all, first and foremost a Camaro forum, so there is noway a Mustang could ever beat a Camaro.

Have a great weekend guys!!

[ViperTomcat]

Well..I have seen a 5.0 hit 12's at the track stock..because I was driving it.

There will always be variations. I've seen C6 Corvettes struggle to break 13.6/7 on the track and then the next day be blasting away at 12.7/8.

The average real world stock times for automatic 5.0's is around 12.6-12.8 Some faster, some slower.

[maxpower5]

Originally Posted by Entaille

hands down daddy's money doesn't know what he's talking about, again.

haha, X2. owned.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Well..I have seen a 5.0 hit 12's at the track stock..because I was driving it.

There will always be variations. I've seen C6 Corvettes struggle to break 13.6/7 on the track and then the next day be blasting away at 12.7/8.

The average real world stock times for automatic 5.0's is around 12.6-12.8 Some faster, some slower.

average 12.6?

Ok man.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

There's a big difference between a 2010 mustang and a 2011 mustang....even from Saleen. While I agree that the 2010 was a closer race then people stated (especially with the l99), the 2011 gt is a better performance vehicle, in all aspects.

Saleen is just beginning to offer a blower on the new 5.0. That isn't the point. We took the 4.6 to the edge because we new we were going up against a the fastest street legal road course ready Camaro in North America. Power was not holding back the Mustang. In fact, the Mustang recorded HIGHER TOP SPEED and ACCELERATED FASTER than the Camaro. It also OUT BRAKED the Camaro. Unfortunately the Mustang CORNERED SLOWER which is a function of the three arm solid axle rear and front end geometry.

We published all the data here on the forum -- free to the community. We show you how to setup your Mustang or Camaro, details on the modifications by the experts, thermal management and extensive track data on both cars.

Here is the key. GINGERMAN IS A MOEMENTUM TRACK. IT IS A TORTURE TEST FOR SUSPENSION, TIRES AND BRAKES. THE CAR THAT CAN MAINTAIN THE GREAST MOMENTUM EXITING THE CORNER IS THE CAR THAT WILL BE THE FASTEST. There is nothing in the new 2011 Mustang that will make it faster in this competition. NOTHING. The RWHP gains will be lost in the turns. Exiting the turns will be more interesting because the higher RWHP will want to break free sooner. Bottom line the faster you eneter the turns becuase you have more acceleration in the straight the HARDER you will have to brake to get through the corner losing more momentum. We are working on the three arm rear suspension and have already found some speed back there.

Here are the fundamental weaknesses in the Mustang and the Camaro.

Camaro -- Weight
Mustang -- Three arm solid rear axle

You can throw RWHP at both of these cars all day long. It isn't the answer.

In the Camaro we have to remove weight. In my case that means no aftermarket hoods or splitters. We'll stay with the ultra light weight aluminum hood and try to install some type of heat extractor vents. Remove the driver and passenger seats for replacement with light weight racing seats. Of course we'll stay with Forgeline wheels, but we'll add two piece light weight front rotors and look to take weight out of the exhaust.

For the last track day when we ran against the Camaro we even moved the Mustang battery to the trunk for better balance. We have tweaked the Mustang setup and reduced the rear sway bar diameter by 1mm. The rear coils are 1kg lower in rate with a 22mm taller ride height. We lose the perfect 50/50 balance, but we gain some traction exiting the corners. It doesn't feel as good as it did under 9 tenths, but at 10 tenths it is more controllable. We'll do a bit more tuning, but we'll run the 4.6 again. We love the power band and think that we have found another 1.5 seconds in the car.

My prediction is that both cars will be at least one second faster or more. that will place them by lap times in the Average of the TOP TEN SCCA T1 Corvette RACE CAR Lap Times while running on street tires. If we get lucky one car could be faster than the Record Porsche GT3 T1 Lap Record.

I don't know of anyone that has a Mustang and Camaro (full street cars on street tires) running lap times this fast. These are AWESOME CARS that are evenly matched. Remember we used the same driver for both cars. We ran three sessions over the day. They are GREAT cars, but neither the Camaro or Mustang can make the claim they are the best car by a huge margin. They are very close. Modified they are BOTH running much faster than a Corvette Z06. You can beat the debate to death and no one can claim a smack down win.

The Camaro monocoque is a clear win.
The Mustang's lower weight is a clear win.
The Camaro IRS is a clear win.
The 11 Musstang Torsen Differential is a clear win.
Style points are subjective.
OnStar vs Sync is subjective.
Stock to Stock the performance is a wash combining road course times with drag strip times.

Drive them both and pick the one you prefer. You will have purchased a great car. This is the Camaro forum so I should point out that the Camaro did outsell the Mustang by 15,000 units

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

My buddy had a 93 5.0. He never lost to a Camaro

I've NEVER lost to a mustang EVER. Thats running a car with a little over 100 horses and a 45 year old car bone stock. Does that mean I COULD never lose to a Mustang? Nope I just know how to pick my races.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Hopefully history does repeat.

So you are saying within a few years GM will introduce something that blows the 5.0 out of the water? (The LT-1 in 1993) (and then the ls-1 that made things embarrassing in 1998)

The Mustang GT could not compete with its GM counterpart for nearly 20 years (1993-2010). So yeah...hopefully history does repeat...you guys get a few years of edging us out and then we get two decades worth of a beatdown.

Heres to history repeating

(except for the camaro going out of production part :( )

It's quite possible. While the 5.0s were a step above the 305 powered Camaros, the 4th gen Camaros were a step (or two, I admit it ) above the 5.0 and the 4.6 2V Mustangs. The Camaros were the faster car when production stopped. I just posted that because the few fanbois who get on here and say 'The Camaros have outperformed the Mustang every year/gen/etc', need to be educated. Some years the Mustang is clearly the better car, and some years the Camaro is. And sometimes they are about even. You can't win them all, that's life.

As to the two cars continuously one-upping the other, I hope they do. But I do worry new laws will prevent this from happening, sooner or later. History may repeat itself that way too...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

It's quite possible. While the 5.0s were a step above the 305 powered Camaros, the 4th gen Camaros were a step (or two, I admit it ) above the 5.0 and the 4.6 2V Mustangs. The Camaros were the faster car when production stopped. I just posted that because the few fanbois who get on here and say 'The Camaros have outperformed the Mustang every year/gen/etc', need to be educated. Some years the Mustang is clearly the better car, and some years the Camaro is. And sometimes they are about even. You can't win them all, that's life.

As to the two cars continuously one-upping the other, I hope they do. But I do worry new laws will prevent this from happening, sooner or later. History may repeat itself that way too...

[8cd03gro]

This debate is just endless. Can we all just settle on the fact that it's a drivers race in every way? The mustang has a SLIGHT advantage that widens with auto vs auto(l99) especially because the auto mustang is the fastest version and the auto camaro is the slower version. If you met on the street, it's going to be 100% up to the driver to decide who wins. On the track it will be the same. Maybe 6/10 times the mustang will win, 4/10 times the camaro, it is THAT CLOSE. A fastest of 12.3 in the mustang and 12.5 in the camaro is hardly a huge difference. It's a slight advantage, that's it. The only time the mustang will win every time is if the drivers are 100% equal which never happens. If you beat the driver, you'll beat the car.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

average 12.6?

Ok man.

Well done on taking the lower end of my scale and then promptly tossing the rest.

Of the 5.0's I've seen run with my own eyes the majority float between those two numbers. I didnt say 12.6 WAS the average.