Prediction: Reviewers will spec the ZL1 close to the GT500 but not "better" than

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I know you know that 3 seconds a lap is an eternity. That's the difference in qualifying and putting your car back on the trailer.

Yeah, I agree that 3 seconds is along time on a road course... But, I hope you agree that $50,000 dollars is about a years salary and is also alot of money for a 3 second advantage... I could afford the trailer im putting the car on, the suspension work, wheels, tires, gas... My wife would be 50k happier... 3 seconds vs. 12 months.... I will take the GT500 and see you in a year.... but I don't think the results would be the same...

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

MR shocks have several advantages, having two or more funamental tunings being one.

I totally agree, MR is the future of shocks.. hands down, thumbs up... But MR shocks cannot be legally run in ANY circuit.. They are Illegal... and therefore unnecessary...

Edit: The few people that actually run the ZL1 in SCCA or NASA will be told to replace their MR shocks with coil-overs or fixed shocks... You guys don't advertise that... You can run a S/C vehicle in SCCA now (if they let you) and some people, not many, will find out that they have to replace them...

Edit 2: LOL, like the ZR1 Carbon Ceramic mumbo jumbo brakes.... But what does the C6 run in Le Mans? Cast Iron rotors...

Dude, I see the shinny watch.. I'm just not buyin' it...

[Revo1]

I'm sure Motor Trend will find some way to make it inferior....

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by thePill

I totally agree, MR is the future of shocks.. hands down, thumbs up... But MR shocks cannot be legally run in ANY circuit.. They are Illegal... and therefore unnecessary...

Edit: The few people that actually run the ZL1 in SCCA or NASA will be told to replace their MR shocks with coil-overs or fixed shocks... You guys don't advertise that... You can run a S/C vehicle in SCCA now (if they let you) and some people, not many, will find out that they have to replace them...

Edit 2: LOL, like the ZR1 Carbon Ceramic mumbo jumbo brakes.... But what does the C6 run in Le Mans? Cast Iron rotors...

Dude, I see the shinny watch.. I'm just not buyin' it...

C6 has to run cast iron by the rules, I believe. Somebody can check me on that.

And a little secret...............GM lead Ferrari on those brakes. GM just wouldn't chin the two 100% price increases during the development phase. Once the price came down GM jumped on them.

And just to be clear, if you can take your $50,000 GT500 and add "extras". So can the Z06 owner.............which is not me even though I wish it was me.

And end of the day, neither can quite keep up with that AWD monster.

I like shiny watches. Mmmmmmmmmmm, shiny.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

C6 has to run cast iron by the rules, I believe. Somebody can check me on that.

And a little secret...............GM lead Ferrari on those brakes. GM just wouldn't chin the two 100% price increases during the development phase. Once the price came down GM jumped on them.

And just to be clear, if you can take your $50,000 GT500 and add "extras". So can the Z06 owner.............which is not me even though I wish it was me.

And end of the day, neither can quite keep up with that AWD monster.

I like shiny watches. Mmmmmmmmmmm, shiny.

I am just as distracted by shinny watches as you are... but let those shinny watches mature some.... Yes, the C6 has to run the cast iron rotors because they are illegal, just as the MR shocks are... So technically, GM and the "F word" traded two items that cannot be used for racing.... It will be accepted someday... just not anywhere in the foreseeable future...

A Z06 owner could pump $50k more into his car, or maybe he should have just went ZR1... What I'm getting at is that real people can own a GT500... Most real people cannot own a Z06 or ZR1.. and that is a tragedy... As much as I despise elitist automobiles, America's Corvette is becoming one of them... :(

[Qdiesel]

I for one would pay the gas guzzler tax! I think people need to stop and think for minute. All GM has said is " at least 550 hp". Stop quoting 550 until official figures have been released.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by rez333

I am making a prediction that history will repeat itself: the ZL-1 will be very close to the GT500, but not better nor worse than.

I simply disagree. That's not how they do things anymore: Either it's class-leading, or it doesn't exist.

The ZL1 will beat the GT500 in any measure...that's not a completely blind statement, and I'll stand by that until I'm proven wrong. (which, to my benefit -- we'll all have to wait for. )

[Qdiesel]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I simply disagree. That's not how they do things anymore: Either it's class-leading, or it doesn't exist.

It'll beat the GT500 in any measure. And I'll stand by that until I'm proven wrong. (which, to my benefit -- we'll all have to wait for. )

And to that I will add that the ZL1 will rule until Ford unleashes their aniiversay Cobra in 2013 for the 2014 MY.

[DevilKnightFalcon]

Let's keep in mind that even if Ford ups the ante with a new more powerful engine after the ZL1 is released Chevy always has the LS9 to go to if they want more power

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DevilKnightFalcon

Let's keep in mind that even if Ford ups the ante with a new more powerful engine after the ZL1 is released Chevy always has the LS9 to go to if they want more power

Among other options.....hehehe...they do so much behind closed doors....it's like they have their own Area 51!

[Darkflow]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

One thing that bother me a tad. Chevy showed the car a little too soon and tipped thier hand. Ford moves FAST, not like GM. They can get the few HP they need to surpass a ZL1 by Jan 2012. They can test against a CTS-V and say OK, we need lets say 25hp and 30lbs of TQ to take the ZL1, and get it done by the time the ZL1 ships.
-Bobby

All Ford really needs to do is upgrade the superchargers to a TVS style like the one in the ZL1. The stock superchargers arent that good for making big horsepower in those cars right now. Then again, Ford may just wait and see what the ZL1 can do then easily upgrade the next model year and be on top yet again. It'll be a never ending battle.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by Mark H

Who would be willing to pay the gas guzzler tax for a significant HP increase over the 550 announced?

I would also. From the beginning I knew that there was a good chance that the Z28/ZL1 would NOT escape the GGT. This is first year that the GT500 was able to escape the GGT. I will keep my fingers crossed but I am not very hopeful. This is phenominal car and if i have pay the GGT then that is the price I have to pay to play. But you can bet I am going to have a lot of fun.

[Darkflow]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

And that's exactly why I believe the released HP specs are conservative. Why give the competition almost a year heads up? I think the reality is that nobody but GM knows what the target for the final power and weight numbers for this vehicle will be, and that includes Ford.

I still expect more HP than the CTS-V's current 556, unless they can somehow avoid the gas guzzler tax at the the estimated 550 HP number.

Why should it have more then the CTS-V to begin with? Is GM going after itself or what? No need for more hp then the V, the car should end up weighing less and run faster times because of that and its not really your competition but if your worried that a 4dr V will run with your 2dr Maro, or not convinced thats enough to defeat the GT500. Then i can see why you want more hp.....

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Darkflow

Why should it have more then the CTS-V to begin with? Is GM going after itself or what? No need for more hp then the V, the car should end up weighing less and run faster times because of that and its not really your competition but if your worried that a 4dr V will run with your 2dr Maro, or not convinced thats enough to defeat the GT500. Then i can see why you want more hp.....

Bet on more hp in the ZL1 due simply to the removal of the belt-driven power-steering pump, and a less restrictive intake/exhaust setup....They're not competing against themselves...it's just the nature of the two cars.