Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by 28.

He did say "maybe I don't know where to look" on there..

I can type in 2010 Camaro Cold Air intake on Google for instance and find all kinds....Didn't know Google was that hard to use.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by wbt

Dyno'd my car a couple of weeks ago.

429whp
376wtq

Mods:
Tune
Airaid CAI
O/R x-pipe
BBK shorties

Installed the Boss intake this week and will be going to re-dyno on 3/12.

Wow! Very impressive numbers! Like others said love to see the cmparrison.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

i just went back and re-read your edited post...so theres our explanation, and it makes sense.

but im still in agreement with you...more fuel system to run 93? yeah...no. stick with the good stuff. but im pretty surprised the car is holding up as well as it is...one of those rods are gonna let go soon i imagine.

Yep. I just wish our cut and paster had cut and pasted the whole post so i would not have jumped to conclusions...lol..

If they have a good conservative tune on it it may go a while even w/ those rods. If I was them i would slap a converter in it and go get that 9 second stock internal pass! would be

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

VMP Tuning 2011 5.0 automatic Roush S/C Mustang 10.00 at 138 mph.

Very nice times! I wondered what the bone stock Roush kit would run so I went to the Mustang 5.0 & Fast Fords Magazine at: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._facility.html
And it looks like their best times were right at 11.70 ET at 120MPH with DOT drag radials. With the base price of one of these things being $47K (their vehicle was at $57K), I would hope you could easily take a Camaro to that level of performance for an additional $12-15K. I can't imagine what the guy in this 10 second video has in his car with the mods mentioned. Money buys performance as many Camaro5 guys can attest.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Very nice times! I wondered what the bone stock Roush kit would run so I went to the Mustang 5.0 & Fast Fords Magazine at: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._facility.html
And it looks like their best times were right at 11.70 ET at 120MPH with DOT drag radials. With the base price of one of these things being $47K (their vehicle was at $57K), I would hope you could easily take a Camaro to that level of performance for an additional $12-15K. I can't imagine what the guy in this 10 second video has in his car with the mods mentioned. Money buys performance as many Camaro5 guys can attest.

Muscle Mustang's and Fast Ford magazine got 11.40@124.9 with their 2010 4.6L Roush stage 3 on stickies and 11.57@124.78 on stock tires. Its a fully forged 4.6L with a 2.3L TVS on top running at 15lbs and dyno's in the 530whp range. I think someone has gone 11.2 with one now which is cool from a stock production car with a full warranty. It sucks that they arnt doing the same for the current 5.0L. All they are doing is bolting on a ford racing supercharger and calling it a day like the old stage 2. Hopefully in the years to come he will pull the new 5.0L engine and stuff it full of forged bottom parts and high flow parts up top and make 700+ since the FRPP Whipple already has a 625hp low boost factory set up.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...e_3/index.html

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Very nice times! I wondered what the bone stock Roush kit would run so I went to the Mustang 5.0 & Fast Fords Magazine at: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._facility.html
And it looks like their best times were right at 11.70 ET at 120MPH with DOT drag radials. With the base price of one of these things being $47K (their vehicle was at $57K), I would hope you could easily take a Camaro to that level of performance for an additional $12-15K. I can't imagine what the guy in this 10 second video has in his car with the mods mentioned. Money buys performance as many Camaro5 guys can attest.

He's running the same roush 2.3l blower with a smaller pulley for more boost and a dyno tune with some sticky tires. That's it.

[JUISSD]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

As one who owns a SuperCharged 2010 SS and a 2011 GT500, IMHO, the 5.0 is a better buy..... lighter, faster, even better with the 3.73 gears.

That all depends on why you're buying the car. Yes the GT is faster, but that doesn't necessarily make it a better buy.

The 5th gen camaro is still new, so it still gets more looks but that will change in time, sooner than later. 90% of the people who admire the Camaro do so because of the Transformers movie. I know this because when I drive my Camaro, people who ask, stare, comment about the car are young (mostly teens, kids, women) and the type that I wouldn't consider, "car people." On the other hand, people who approach and comment on my "Mustang" are the "car type" people.

I've had all kinds of different people approach me and ask about my car. Just about every time I drive it. Some are casual observers, but a lot of them are "car guys." Regardless, I didn't buy it for anyone else but me.

Despite of its solid axle, I feel the 2011 Mustang Gt (one I test drove) actually handles better than the SS. I always test drive in the Santa Monica Mountains, 10 miles from my work and dealerships.

The GT definitely handles a bit better, but that's based almost solely on it's lighter weight.

The cam5 5th gen forum is very active now because again, the car is new. Just like the Mustang GT forums are starting to get busy again.
What I really dislike about the 5th Gen Camaro....the weight and soft suspension.

The Camaro is not a flash in the pan if that's what you're implying. The enthusiasm for the car will remain strong for a long time to come.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

well the vid says that the car has a stock motor, trans and converter.
but it also says it has exhaust and suspension work. so theres your 60ft right there. remember, the 6sp auto in these cars have a nasty, almost granny low 1st, so its gonna 60ft good if the hook is there. also, shes on skinnys/fatties so you know going from a stock 19in rim to an aluminum racing 15 in rim saves quite a bit of weight...and just like you said we dont know if any additional weight may have been removed.
as for the mph...well i think youre right...they have the wick turned up pretty high. what kind of gas? if theyre running VP116, then as long as the rods hold up, i can see this happening no problem. but pump gas...neh

Don't forget the 105 lbs woman driving it doesn't hurt in the weight dept.
The driver is Rebecca Starkey who's husband Justin owns VMP Tuning.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Very nice times! I wondered what the bone stock Roush kit would run so I went to the Mustang 5.0 & Fast Fords Magazine at: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._facility.html
And it looks like their best times were right at 11.70 ET at 120MPH with DOT drag radials. With the base price of one of these things being $47K (their vehicle was at $57K), I would hope you could easily take a Camaro to that level of performance for an additional $12-15K. I can't imagine what the guy in this 10 second video has in his car with the mods mentioned. Money buys performance as many Camaro5 guys can attest.

57K to run 11:70s no thank you.....Take my car 27K new, add $2000.00 of bolt-ons CAI, Hi Flos, and a tune, slap a 7-8lb maggie on for another $6000.00 and for 35k you have a car that will run with it if not better all the while looking much better also

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by newmoon

57K to run 11:70s no thank you.....Take my car 27K new, add $2000.00 of bolt-ons CAI, Hi Flos, and a tune, slap a 7-8lb maggie on for another $6000.00 and for 35k you have a car that will run with it if not better all the while looking much better also

true...but, you can do that with any car.

Why start at $27k, start at $6k with a 2000 Camaro and add go-fast mods and in the end, maybe $15k total, it will be faster than a $60k+ car.

You seriously don't expect that a car made with $400hp is still going to be as balanced as it came out of the factory when you have added 100lbs, 200rwhp, etc. etc. etc. A lot of people seem to forget or unaware that when you do serious power-mod to a car, you are upsetting its balance and therefore, you need to address other areas of the car to get it balanced again. For instance, you add a SC and your car starts hopping on heavy acceleration...well, you gotta deal with the rear suspension..takes $$. Then you notice the turn in isn't as precise as it used to...well, you just added weight to the front so you gotta deal with that. Oh, then the half-shaft breaks because of the 200 extra hp...or the tranny or clutch starts acting up. All that takes a lot of $ out of your own pocket and it doesn't stop.

Meanwhile, some people like to have a beast straight out of the factory with full factory and is made to work with the upgrades added at the factory. For instance, if you have the money, wouldn't you buy a ZL1 as opposed to buying a SS and piece-mealing the parts to match the ZL1 and voiding the 5 year no-cost warranty? In the end, you still only have just a SS.

I know I am just wasting my time explaining this but had 5 minutes to kill.

[Justin@VMP]

I'll clarify some things...

The car is somewhat heavy compared to others out there, even with my wife driving. The rollbar adds about 75lbs. Our front skinnies are an 18x6 weld with a 215 tire, so they only saved 9lbs over stock wheels, they come in at 46lbs per side. On the up side they will fit my 816RWHP Shelby GT500 when we stop taking this car to the track as much . I believe the car weighs about 3750lbs or a tad more depending on how many baby seats are in the back and whether the trunk mat is in or out.

The 5.0L 4V chamber design allows it to tolerate a ton of timing even at 11:1 compression with boost. About 5-7* more than a blown LS3 camaro with similar boost and octane. I run race gas for the safety margin with a maxxed fuel system, but I believe the timing and could be ramped down for use with pump gas at a very sane 10-12psi (which is all these motors need to make big power).

We are definitely watching the stock parts carefully, I'm not pushing this combo to 13-14psi like some others, it's more about optimizing what we've got and keeping the stock engine/trans/converter alive.

With the roush kit at stock boost we ran 11.2 on a 94F summer day. With additionally tuning and better whether we pushed it into the high 10s. This was on a 265 MT DR on stock 18s.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Justin@VMP

I'll clarify some things...

The car is somewhat heavy compared to others out there, even with my wife driving. The rollbar adds about 75lbs. Our front skinnies are an 18x6 weld with a 215 tire, so they only saved 9lbs over stock wheels, they come in at 46lbs per side. On the up side they will fit my 816RWHP Shelby GT500 when we stop taking this car to the track as much . I believe the car weighs about 3750lbs or a tad more depending on how many baby seats are in the back and whether the trunk mat is in or out.

The 5.0L 4V chamber design allows it to tolerate a ton of timing even at 11:1 compression with boost. About 5-7* more than a blown LS3 camaro with similar boost and octane. I run race gas for the safety margin with a maxxed fuel system, but I believe the timing and could be ramped down for use with pump gas at a very sane 10-12psi (which is all these motors need to make big power).

We are definitely watching the stock parts carefully, I'm not pushing this combo to 13-14psi like some others, it's more about optimizing what we've got and keeping the stock engine/trans/converter alive.

With the roush kit at stock boost we ran 11.2 on a 94F summer day. With additionally tuning and better whether we pushed it into the high 10s. This was on a 265 MT DR on stock 18s.

VMP your car is impressive to say the least, how do you see the Coyote holding up at that level of boost? I just finished reading this months issue of 5.0 mag. where they compared a boosted coyote 5.0 to a 11 GT500 5.4, it seems that the Coyote handled the boost and delivered better numbers at the same pressure. I was impressed for sure.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

true...but, you can do that with any car.

Why start at $27k, start at $6k with a 2000 Camaro and add go-fast mods and in the end, maybe $15k total, it will be faster than a $60k+ car.

You seriously don't expect that a car made with $400hp is still going to be as balanced as it came out of the factory when you have added 100lbs, 200rwhp, etc. etc. etc. A lot of people seem to forget or unaware that when you do serious power-mod to a car, you are upsetting its balance and therefore, you need to address other areas of the car to get it balanced again. For instance, you add a SC and your car starts hopping on heavy acceleration...well, you gotta deal with the rear suspension..takes $$. Then you notice the turn in isn't as precise as it used to...well, you just added weight to the front so you gotta deal with that. Oh, then the half-shaft breaks because of the 200 extra hp...or the tranny or clutch starts acting up. All that takes a lot of $ out of your own pocket and it doesn't stop.

Meanwhile, some people like to have a beast straight out of the factory with full factory and is made to work with the upgrades added at the factory. For instance, if you have the money, wouldn't you buy a ZL1 as opposed to buying a SS and piece-mealing the parts to match the ZL1 and voiding the 5 year no-cost warranty? In the end, you still only have just a SS.

I know I am just wasting my time explaining this but had 5 minutes to kill.

In a perfect world I would be placing an order for a ZL1 or I would have a Z06 in the garage already. But being a Father of 3 it's not on the cards for me at this time. I am not really into screaming around corners or entering an auto-cross, I like straight line power. So for me a slightly modded new 27K Camaro makes much more sense. I can upgrade as funds are there and I am driving a new vehicle with 500 miles on it. But the answer is yes I would prefer a turnkey racecar from the factory with a full warranty.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Justin@VMP

I'll clarify some things...

The car is somewhat heavy compared to others out there, even with my wife driving. The rollbar adds about 75lbs. Our front skinnies are an 18x6 weld with a 215 tire, so they only saved 9lbs over stock wheels, they come in at 46lbs per side. On the up side they will fit my 816RWHP Shelby GT500 when we stop taking this car to the track as much . I believe the car weighs about 3750lbs or a tad more depending on how many baby seats are in the back and whether the trunk mat is in or out.

The 5.0L 4V chamber design allows it to tolerate a ton of timing even at 11:1 compression with boost. About 5-7* more than a blown LS3 camaro with similar boost and octane. I run race gas for the safety margin with a maxxed fuel system, but I believe the timing and could be ramped down for use with pump gas at a very sane 10-12psi (which is all these motors need to make big power).

We are definitely watching the stock parts carefully, I'm not pushing this combo to 13-14psi like some others, it's more about optimizing what we've got and keeping the stock engine/trans/converter alive.

With the roush kit at stock boost we ran 11.2 on a 94F summer day. With additionally tuning and better whether we pushed it into the high 10s. This was on a 265 MT DR on stock 18s.

310lbs less than my car w/ my Whipple and me in it.

10-12psi is ok on pump gas for the rods the 5.0 has? At least from a longevity standpoint?

Awesome times out of your car, now we just need to see you run a 9 in it w/ the stock parts, can`t get any closer than you already are.. 10.000 Lol..