i can beat a mustang 2011 with my L99 with this tools?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Bigger cam...more compression....less drivetrain loss.

C'mon man.....a simple cam swap put me @ 470 rwhp, let me see an L99 pull that one off.

You did a cam swap w/ no other mods?? My L99 hit 462 with cam swap... but I also have LT and a coupe other mods. I did the LS3 conversion, but the pistons are different (lower compression) so it won't quite get to LS3 numbers but VERY close...

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Padre ran something like 12.7s or 12.8s last weekend with just a CAI, Catback, and a Tune in his L99 A6. That could definately beat the average Joe in a 5.0 GT.

Had a group of L99s last weekend running those numbers... Add headers and they will be mid and even low 12's assuming they can hook.

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

True...in stock form.

The biggest hang up with the LS3 is the launch....throw a set of good tires on it, with axles for peace of mind and the LS3 wins every time.

Have to disagree w/ this one. If the L99 also has tires and LS3 won't beat them off the line, but they will catch up and pass by the half way point.

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

All good points, but at least over on the mustang forums, the manual 5.0's with mods, are running low low 12s, right there with the automatics (they're more or less the same performers, stock and modded).

They are running the same motors... so wouldn't you expect them to be same performers? the L99 has less HP stock so there are more variables to factor in with modded Camaros. One reason why this thread is 3 pages long...

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

This is a fact.

With a good trans tune, a nice stall and a set of sticky tires an automatic can lay down some eye popping ETs.

The biggest reason I went LS3 was because I knew I was keeping the car NA and the cam/head work would be much easier on the LS3. I love my manual on the street as it's an insane amount of fun, but when I'm at the strip there are times I wish I had the automatic just to be able to run the number every single pass.

May be more consistent but I suck so far. I suck launching this thing. Can't get them to stick.

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by PQ

May be more consistent but I suck so far. I suck launching this thing. Can't get them to stick.

It's because they're "pretty" 22s.

All joking aside, I'm seriously considering dropping down to 18s when I have the extra cash. The 20s look good, but I prefer the comfort/performance advantages I'll have with the 18s. I'm just hoping that a couple more manufacturers will have some more 18" options by this fall.

By the way, I got rid of my DOD, but I kept the VVT when I went with my aftermarket cam. I like the VVT and I also didn't feel the need to do the LS3 conversion at this time. If I end up doing my stroker build I'll do the conversion at that time.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Shardik2SS

It's because they're "pretty" 22s.

All joking aside, I'm seriously considering dropping down to 18s when I have the extra cash. The 20s look good, but I prefer the comfort/performance advantages I'll have with the 18s. I'm just hoping that a couple more manufacturers will have some more 18" options by this fall.

By the way, I got rid of my DOD, but I kept the VVT when I went with my aftermarket cam. I like the VVT and I also didn't feel the need to do the LS3 conversion at this time. If I end up doing my stroker build I'll do the conversion at that time.

Wow. I really haven't been paying attention. What is the advantage of keeping VVT?

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by PQ

Wow. I really haven't been paying attention. What is the advantage of keeping VVT?

Take a look at these threads. Specifically the first one.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=VVT

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=VVT

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=VVT

[Padre]

Originally Posted by PQ

Wow. I really haven't been paying attention. What is the advantage of keeping VVT?

Significantly more power under the curve all the way to redline. It's a great design that a few tuners are recognizing. Others just recommend the LS3 conversion because VVT tuning looks too complicated - sticking with the tried and true but missing the advance (pun intended ) of the technology.

Padre

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by Padre

Significantly more power under the curve all the way to redline. It's a great design that a few tuners are recognizing. Others just recommend the LS3 conversion because VVT tuning looks too complicated - sticking with the tried and true but missing the advance (pun intended ) of the technology.

Padre

[mlee]

Originally Posted by PQ

Wow. I really haven't been paying attention. What is the advantage of keeping VVT?

...and in your case you don't want a big cam with the maggie... so in keeping VVT you won't have to pull heads and can save a few bucks. Dangeruss kept VVT with his Whipple build and it sounds great and got some nice gains too.

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by mlee

...and in your case you don't want a big cam with the maggie... so in keeping VVT you won't have to pull heads and can save a few bucks. Dangeruss kept VVT with his Whipple build and it sounds great and got some nice gains too.

Exactly. Russ and I have very similar builds. Right now the only difference is that I have ported heads and he has long tubes. The last part will be remedied soon enough for me though.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Padre

Significantly more power under the curve all the way to redline. It's a great design that a few tuners are recognizing. Others just recommend the LS3 conversion because VVT tuning looks too complicated - sticking with the tried and true but missing the advance (pun intended ) of the technology.

Padre

Maybe, but I want 'easy'. And though it would be a little easier to not pull hte heads, I'd then have to drive around the world to find someone who can tune it properly. If I'll just do the conversion and make the tune simple. Of course I'll find my tuner first. Probably Doc in Jacksonville, but he didn't sould like he knew an awful lot about VVT.

Originally Posted by mlee

...and in your case you don't want a big cam with the maggie... so in keeping VVT you won't have to pull heads and can save a few bucks. Dangeruss kept VVT with his Whipple build and it sounds great and got some nice gains too.

Ya, BUT, again, finding a tuner......... most tuners on here prefer no VVT. Plus, it's one less thing that can break without it. Haven't heard of any cradles or assemblies breaking yet but they do have moving parts.

Originally Posted by Shardik2SS

Exactly. Russ and I have very similar builds. Right now the only difference is that I have ported heads and he has long tubes. The last part will be remedied soon enough for me though.

So even removing the heads, you still opted to keep the VVT........ What made you decide that, and where did you get the info in making your decision?

The threads below I presume? The two of them are based on N/A builds. Pretty impressive, but I wonder what a F/I gain will be as apposed to N/A?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by PQ

Ya, BUT, again, finding a tuner......... most tuners on here prefer no VVT. Plus, it's one less thing that can break without it. Haven't heard of any cradles or assemblies breaking yet but they do have moving parts.

So even removing the heads, you still opted to keep the VVT........ What made you decide that, and where did you get the info in making your decision?

The threads below I presume? The two of them are based on N/A builds. Pretty impressive, but I wonder what a blower gain will be as apposed to F/I?

Make one weekend trip to visit family in Houston and you're done. Not sure I follow the moving part thing... lots of moving parts and I haven't heard of anything VVT failing except lifters.

You're case is a prime one for keeping the heads on and keeping VVT since you already have a blower and don't need a high lift cam. You will see nice 40 hp gains and get the cool sound too without breaking the bank.

I had new heads going on so it was an easy decision for me to remove lifters...

[PQ]

Originally Posted by mlee

Make one weekend trip to visit family in Houston and you're done. Not sure I follow the moving part thing... lots of moving parts and I haven't heard of anything VVT failing except lifters.

You're case is a prime one for keeping the heads on and keeping VVT since you already have a blower and don't need a high lift cam. You will see nice 40 hp gains and get the cool sound too without breaking the bank.

I had new heads going on so it was an easy decision for me to remove lifters...

Damn. I was looking for more than just 40HP gains.

But, it is what it is I guess.

The moving parts is the part that shifts the cam to advance or retard timing. I think it's activated with pressure. But not sure. I know some VVT cams actually have pins in them that slide to lock a rotating lobe to a bigger lobe. But I think that's a Toyota. I can't remember.

I'll see if I can find the vid.

[PQ]

Here's one vid.



But, I'll talk to my guy and see what may be best. If my guy is in Houston, or Jacksonville, I don't know yet.

Obviously, being the last performance based mod I'll more than likely do, power wise, I want as much power gain as I can get. I'm really not looking for the sound. I just want the power.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

This is a fact.

With a good trans tune, a nice stall and a set of sticky tires an automatic can lay down some eye popping ETs.

The biggest reason I went LS3 was because I knew I was keeping the car NA and the cam/head work would be much easier on the LS3. I love my manual on the street as it's an insane amount of fun, but when I'm at the strip there are times I wish I had the automatic just to be able to run the number every single pass.

In a street roll race the manual has a nice advantage as well from my experience. Their is a nice vid on youtube of a header, cai and tune L99 running a stock LS3 on the highway and it is about dead even. I would imagine if the LS3 had the same mods it would have been ugly.

At a stop light on the street the auto will win almost every time. Just a little mistake and the auto is gone.