BE CAREFUL WITH PERFORMANCE MODE!

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

What "maneuver" is required to do a task as simple as passing someone on the road going 25mph? My point is you shouldn't need driving aids to do something like that anyways.

a maneuver when your annoyed at the person in front of you.. and do a somewhat hard acceleration around them ... the amount that I accelerated I have done before, and have far surpassed it with no problems ever... the only reason there was a problem this time is because my dumb ass forgot to turn the nannies back on and almost got myself killed ... atleast I learned my lesson still alive and with my car in 1 piece with extremely minor damage

[Mark H]

Have a question about the nannies. I don't have a camaro yet.
When the nannies kicks in does the car sound any different? The reason I ask is I have a can-am Spyder which has stabletrac and traction control. But when they kick in and the computers cut torque it sounds awful. Spuddering and sounding lime crap.

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by MR-02

A serious question for the more experienced drivers...

So, as per the mustang video earlier, after accelerating out of the turn, the car wips out the back end to the left, then with oversteer for correction, the car swings violently out of control to the right...just before that point,
....some would say he should have let off the gas completely,
.....some would say just ease of the gas so the tires dont hook up
again unexpectedly

but wouldn't it be best to just put it into Neutral when you feel you've lost control of the car?

Putting it in Neutral to "balance" the weight of the car, is what a.o. the "defensive" BMW driving courses will teach you. But more importantly, it's what happens with the steering wheel during the slide(s)...

Most people will try to correct the first slide by actually countersteering. Once the car starts to straighten out they however forget to apply the countersteering to the other directions, making them actually turn into the 2nd slide, hence the "violent" turn...

As for turning the nannies off: they're an assistance to how you drive, they're not the "one and all solution" for everything. I remember one particular day where I drove for the "breakdown assistance" on track in my 1999 Honda-engined Lotus Elise (690kg car for 240bhp, no power steering, no TC, stability control, unassisted ABS-less brakes). There was a F360 going pretty fast almost all day, until at one point he started sliding and lost control trying to overtake me in a 4th gear lefthander, ending up in the wall. Turns out the guy was driving with his ESP on all day, and it failed when he overheated the brakes. He rented the car, so didn't know what the real potential was...

Camaros are powerful cars, just like any other powerful car: treat them with respect (smooth controls), and you'll have a very rewarding drive. Drive them "digital" and they'll stab you in the back if you're not used to handling them... unless you rely on the (hopefully not failing) nannies.

[Lunatic]

Question, Does my 80 Camaro have these features? If so, how do I turn them on? Im guessing they don't but I just want to make sure. I'm 17 years Old and just want to stay safe while I drive.

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by Lunatic

Question, Does my 80 Camaro have these features? If so, how do I turn them on? Im guessing they don't but I just want to make sure. I'm 17 years Old and just want to stay safe while I drive.

Stability Control was only introduced in 1995.

Best case your car has PAS, ABS and that's it

[CLEAN]

Originally Posted by Mark H

Have a question about the nannies. I don't have a camaro yet.
When the nannies kicks in does the car sound any different? The reason I ask is I have a can-am Spyder which has stabletrac and traction control. But when they kick in and the computers cut torque it sounds awful. Spuddering and sounding lime crap.

Can't speak for the Camaro, but the active handling has kicked in once or twice on the vette, and when it does, it grabs a brake, or kicks back the gas pedal, or some otherwise noticeable intervention, and flashes ACTIVE HANDLING on the DIC. It doesn't sound any alarms or flash any red lights or anything, engine might go to idle for a second, I don't really remember.

Originally Posted by Lunatic

Question, Does my 80 Camaro have these features? If so, how do I turn them on? Im guessing they don't but I just want to make sure. I'm 17 years Old and just want to stay safe while I drive.

No nannies at all on your car. I learned my lesson about passing traffic on a wet road as I was in the process of totaling my '78 Firebird, so your Camaro is very well capable of wiping out on you. But rejoice, you're learning how to drive 100% car, so down the road when you're in a nanny equipped vehicle, you'll already know what works and what doesn't, and you won't be putting yourself in a position where Nanny has to bail you out.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by CLEAN

Can't speak for the Camaro, but the active handling has kicked in once or twice on the vette, and when it does, it grabs a brake, or kicks back the gas pedal, or some otherwise noticeable intervention, and flashes ACTIVE HANDLING on the DIC.

OMFG I hated that in my Grand Prix.... everytime I got in the car the first thing to be turned off was the traction control and anything else I could disable from inside the car....

Lose traction even a bit and the car would make god awful sounds and reactions... so glad that car is GONE!

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by Mark H

Have a question about the nannies. I don't have a camaro yet.
When the nannies kicks in does the car sound any different? The reason I ask is I have a can-am Spyder which has stabletrac and traction control. But when they kick in and the computers cut torque it sounds awful. Spuddering and sounding lime crap.

nope they are silent... one of the first things i did a long time ago with my '10 SS was try to make it slide out in a safe area... learn when it will and wont slide, when it will over-steer or under-steer with the nannies on.. and you would never even know they are there (noise wise) unless someone told you...

you will find that with the nannies on, if you make a hard turn your front end will slide out very easily ... its much harder to make the rear slide out with them on.. turn the nannies off however, and the rear will go crazy on you assuming your trying to make it slide out

[Lunatic]

Thanks guys.

[stevea]

well thats what this technology is there for, to make sure those mistakes dont happen

Back in the old days before technology was invented we used something called common sense to avoid "mistakes".

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by stevea

Back in the old days before technology was invented we used something called common sense to avoid "mistakes".

i believe it is well known that technology is making people dumber... theres no question about that ... humans rely on technology way to much to do things that they can do themselves... its an unfortunate truth and im sure most of us are subject to it at some level or another ...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Rocky918

i believe it is well known that technology is making people dumber... theres no question about that ... humans rely on technology way to much to do things that they can do themselves... its an unfortunate truth and im sure most of us are subject to it at some level or another ...

I'd have to firmly disagree. Technology is allowing us to become smarter and focus on more difficult concepts by relegating the mundane tasks we used to concern ourselves with to computers. For example...who needs long division when you can use " / " on a calculator?

The side-effect is that we don't really need to learn and know how to do those mundane things anymore...so depending on how you value those things, then yeah - we might be forgetting all that and becoming "stupid" in those areas....but overall? MUCH smarter.

Technology is like a tool...actually, it is a tool; that's the definition...it all depends on how you use it.

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'd have to firmly disagree. Technology is allowing us to become smarter and focus on more difficult concepts by relegating the mundane tasks we used to concern ourselves with to computers. For example...who needs long division when you can use " / " on a calculator?

The side-effect is that we don't really need to learn and know how to do those mundane things anymore...so depending on how you value those things, then yeah - we might be forgetting all that and becoming "stupid" in those areas....but overall? MUCH smarter.

Technology is like a tool...actually, it is a tool; that's the definition...it all depends on how you use it.

I have to firmly disagree with your disagree lol ... being in a phd program and always reading scientific literature, i have actually done some reading on this topic.... You said who needs long division when we have calculators? thats exactly what im talking about... you would be surprised at how many brain connections you use by doing math instead of using a calculator...for instance, we dont need to count change anymore as we can just deposit it in an automatic counter. we dont need to remember to feed our fish if we have an automatic feeder and the list is endless... by not doing things that we would have been doing in the past, we use less of our brain

'intelligence' is all about the number of efficient connections you have in your brain. the more you use your brain, the better due to stronger, and more neuron connection... its as simple as that, even for the mundane tasks...

however on the contrary, i will say that technology does make us smarter by providing us with more information than ever before, such as the internet. its up to the individual to actively seek that information instead of just bsing around watching tv or whatnot

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

Yup, dooly noted. TC and SC saved my ass on a wet freeway with an aggressive lane change. If it hadn't been for those features, I would have piled up quite a few cars. It happens quick especially when you are not looking for it.

Exactly what happened to me, I totally lost my mind. Literally the stupidest moment of my life. Flooring it and changing lanes. It slid both ways before I could push the clutch in. I must admit I am stupid and young but still old enough to know not to turn that stuff off. I shit my pants when that happen and nothing bad even happened.