Headers and Tune??

[sixty9fordkiller]

Originally Posted by c-dub

that right there was a very sound and well put together arguement. I want LT's really bad, but I am afraid of voiding the warranty. THis makes a ton of sense though. If I can find a way to lower my payments I'd be all about it, but as it stands right now I pay more per month due to the warranty and I doubt me voiding it would lower my payments...so as long as I am paying I might as well keep it right? Anybody know of a way to kill the warranty on paper?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you purchased the extended warranty, its a done deal. It went in as part of the total price of the car and and therefore in the loan you got from your financial institution that financed you. I dont know how you can have them refinance your car (which is a bad idea to begin with since you will lose money) to exclude the warranty that they already paid your chevrolet dealer for when they lent you the money

[c-dub]

damn...oh well :( thanks for the info though sixty9fordkiller . MAYBE once I get a different DD and i won't be faced with a total lack of transportation in the event the SS craps out I'll get on the LT bandwagon haha

[sixty9fordkiller]

Originally Posted by c-dub

damn...oh well :( thanks for the info though sixty9fordkiller . MAYBE once I get a different DD and i won't be faced with a total lack of transportation in the event the SS craps out I'll get on the LT bandwagon haha

Makes sense. Have confidence in your camaro though and treat it like a woman: Treat her good, give her what she wants and she'll never let you down. Mistreat her and......you get the picture

[c-dub]

Originally Posted by sixty9fordkiller

Makes sense. Have confidence in your camaro though and treat it like a woman: Treat her good, give her what she wants and she'll never let you down. Mistreat her and......you get the picture

I do understand, but I've also heard many horror stories about cars randomly having bolts fly out and stuff like that.

[sixty9fordkiller]

Originally Posted by c-dub

I do understand, but I've also heard many horror stories about cars randomly having bolts fly out and stuff like that.

haha......i was one of those. A driveshaft bolt coming off was the culprit. I assume if must have come loose during one of the times my car wheelhopped . These cars are notorious for wheelhop (in case you havent yet experienced it for yourself). My dealer was quick to repair it

[c-dub]

wheelhop...that's usually during hard launches like at the track right?

[ArmoSS]

Originally Posted by sixty9fordkiller

I live in california too. You dont have to smog your car for the first 5 years. Im not worried that i voided my powertrain warranty when I had Ted tune my car. My car isnt a drag race car. I drive it "spirited" at most to say the least and have taken it to the track only twice. So with that said, my car just barely hit 20,000 miles yesterday and the only powertrain issue i had was a bolt coming off the driveshaft which the dealer was quick to identify and gave me my car back in 2 days.(the repair only took about an hour but they didnt have the bolt which came as a complete set which they had to order from back east. They even repaired it even after i told my service advisor not to flash the computer whatsoever noting that it had custom calibration) I guess what im trying to say is that i took a chance based on confidence that chevy built me a good car that as long as i didnt abuse it, i couldnt break it. I figured if i paid $45K for the car (i bought the car in 2009 when every dealer was marking them up) and the 2005 Tahoe that I traded in for her never gave me ANY problem whatsoever, there was no reason to believe the camaro would be any different.

I understand how you feel about your warranty. My advice is to enjoy your car. If you want LTs, get them and do it right by tuning the car. As long as you dont abuse the car, it is VERY unlikely that you will break something that you couldnt afford to replace on your own. Chevy took their time on this car. Its built well and LS engines havent been under hoods since 1997 because they arent built well. As far as the smog goes, keep the factory cats and manifolds stored somewhere and swap them back in when you have to smog it. It is very easy to swap back and forth between headers and manifolds. Talk to Ted or any of the other vendors here. Ive only dealt with Ted but I have seen all other vendors in the forums and they have all been very helpful with everyone (customers AND non-customers alike) Ted or anyone of them can set you up and recommend a good set of affordable headers. You'll love them once you install them. Im sure i speak for everyone here that already has them

I definitely feel your reasoning makes a lot of sense, and there is lots of evidence to prove you are correct. I appreciate you taking the time.

I, unfortunately, do not have great luck with cars for whatever reason, and I feel that I do a great job in taking care of them. For example, my '02 SS needed to get the gear kit replaced...twice! The day after I purchased my 2011 SS, 3 weeks ago, I saw a hose hanging from the bottom of the car. Hence, my car was sitting at the dealer less than 24 hours after I bought it so they can clamp that hose to the car again. Now, I need to take it in tomorrow because last time they found that the fuel line connector needed to be changed, and ordered the part. Again, I purchased my vehicle 3 weeks ago. Might I add...it was a dealer order, so no one else had driven it...I saw it get delivered.

My point to all of this is...your points are very valid, but there are exceptions unfortunately, and I think by matter of chance things will happen. Life is nothing but experiences, and my experiences have led me to not want to take certain risks with vehicles. As a result, if I want to get LT headers, and they need a tune to function properly, and the tune voids my hedging of these risks (warrany), it's best that I don't get headers. :(

I thank you all though for your great input and feedback. It's a bummer, but I'll dress up my Blue Balls (She IBM, and has balls!) with other stuff.

[5GSS]

Originally Posted by sixty9fordkiller

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you purchased the extended warranty, its a done deal. It went in as part of the total price of the car and and therefore in the loan you got from your financial institution that financed you. I dont know how you can have them refinance your car (which is a bad idea to begin with since you will lose money) to exclude the warranty that they already paid your chevrolet dealer for when they lent you the money

I've purchased extended warranties before with the option of cashing it in for the remaining balance if I decided I no longer wanted it. True, it doesn't affect the loan, but in my case, they would have sent me a check, which I could have used to make a principle payment on the loan. Refinancing the remaining balance over the same term would have resulted in a lower monthly payment, assuming identical interest rate. Plus, if you can raise your credit score over what it was when the loan was first issued, you could get a better interest rate as well.

I agree, you should never refinance to extend the term, but sometimes it does make sense and can save you money, especially if you have made additional, principal only payments throughout the life of the loan.

[GreyLS3SS]

I put BFE LT and high flow cats X-pipe into stock exhaust resonators with no tune picked up 25 HP and 23 FT Lbs TRQ at rear wheels and so far no codes have the M-6 so don't know if that makes any difference.

[c-dub]

no codes eh? hmm. did you put O2 extensions or whatever it is I've heard of? Perhaps its the placement of the cats. I've thought to myself several times why nobody has thought of trying to design a LT header that does not throw a code, I'd imagine that they'd make a killing for those that want performance+sound but don't want to void their warranty with a tune.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by c-dub

no codes eh? hmm. did you put O2 extensions or whatever it is I've heard of? Perhaps its the placement of the cats. I've thought to myself several times why nobody has thought of trying to design a LT header that does not throw a code, I'd imagine that they'd make a killing for those that want performance+sound but don't want to void their warranty with a tune.

I don't know for sure...I am not a guru on headers, but I was under the impression the sensors were thrown because of a substantial increase in air flow created by LTs....

Basically, making a header that doesn't throw the sensor completely defeats the purpose of headers....?? Again, I could be wrong..

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by brantley847

I don't know for sure...I am not a guru on headers, but I was under the impression the sensors were thrown because of a substantial increase in air flow created by LTs....

Basically, making a header that doesn't throw the sensor completely defeats the purpose of headers....?? Again, I could be wrong..

No they are just Cat converter efficiency codes.

[sixty9fordkiller]

you dont HAVE TO get the ECM tuned after intalling headers, but if you want to get the most efficiency and performance out of them, you should. You might or might not get the check engine light without a tune, but you would definitely pick up more than 25 ponies and ft/lbs to the rear wheels with a tune.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

No they are just Cat converter efficiency codes.

Yea, their efficiency to flow air!! BOOOMM!! goes the dynamite...

I don't know what I am talking about, but it sounded good until Ted decided to get involved...lol