Shno's House of Z

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Where do i begin? I'll comment in bits and pieces.
First your welcome! And yes beating the Boss is what the Z28's job is! And the Boss selling out so fast doesn't scream there's a hole in the muscle/pony car offerings? ($40K+ performance offering).
I don't know for sure what the ZL1 will sell for but guessing $50K+ which is more than I and Im sure others are willing spend. I'll stop here and add more later because I'm typing on my iPhone and it's annoying. I do enjoy these conversations, thanks Number 3.

I personally would lean to the 41k pricing, because at 50 I might as well spend a little more and buy the GS Vette and be 100% happy. The Boss and ZL1 both have appearance issues to me. I prefer the ZL1 in almost every other area, but 9k would have me just looking more to the Boss in this current market if the performance #'s are close. (Cash is King right now)

Thanks for the info number 3 good stuff.

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Can I get the internals on the LS3 forged and extend the RPMs to 7,500 redline?

All factory mind you.

That's what I was pushing way back in August of 2010. It seems the vast majority of readers agreed.

Poll showed 78% would pay extra, 14% didn't care, and 8% preferred the hypereutectics that were already in the LS3.

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

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POLL: Forged Pistons & Rods in the Z28 ?http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98543

Would you be willing to pay for the added cost of forged pistons and rods from the factory in the new Z 28?

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UPDATE: new ZL1 that is.

Also:

Originally Posted by GrnMchin

I personally would lean to the 41k pricing, because at 50 I might as well spend a little more and buy the GS Vette and be 100% happy.

That's you, and that's fine, but I'm one of those peeps that likes to have a top-of-the-line in whatever I choose. I'm willing to pay a premium to get it. Unfortunately, however, I can't afford a top-of-the-line 'Vette. I don't mind so much now though, because I've always loved the Camaro best and I will just barely be able to reach for my 1st love. ( I hope, don't go past the 50k mark, plz. )

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[Fightinfire921]

Could this thread be moved over to the z28 topic?

Thanks,

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

Could this thread be moved over to the z28 topic?

Thanks,

WHAAAAAATT? Hey, Shno's House of Z was here longggg before any of this. At the point this thread was started, this was the only game in town for discussion of all things Z related..................and that was when the speculation was that what is now known as the ZL1 was the Z28.

So Shno's house is a free wheeling discussion on anything Z related, 28 or L1 or beerz.

Only rule was you can't bash GM for not doing something you wanted.

So request respectfully denied. At least by me.

[JusticePete]

This thread is a classic. We call it home. I may move, but the thread stays!

[2cnd chance]

Hey Number 3,
Any comments on my posts commenting on your post commenting on my post?

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by Number 3

WHAAAAAATT? Hey, Shno's House of Z was here longggg before any of this. At the point this thread was started, this was the only game in town for discussion of all things Z related..................and that was when the speculation was that what is now known as the ZL1 was the Z28.

So Shno's house is a free wheeling discussion on anything Z related, 28 or L1 or beerz.

Only rule was you can't bash GM for not doing something you wanted.

So request respectfully denied. At least by me.

How have you been? How was your trip to Florida? I hope you enjoyed the sunshine state. How is the new Z/28 coming along?

Sorry for the misinterpretation of this Z thread.

Z
noun, plural Z's or Zs, z's or zs.
1. the 26th letter of the English alphabet, a consonant.
2. any spoken sound represented by the letter Z or z, as in zero, zigzag, or buzzer.
3. something having the shape of a Z .
4. first letter of a bad ass car made by Chevrolet.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Hey Number 3,
Any comments on my posts commenting on your post commenting on my post?

Sure, they are all good.

I am sure there are people at GM that would love to have a Boss competitor right now. Heck, I wish we did. I think (comments on the gimicky key asside) the Boss is a great package. But I don't get to make that decision. But some of the key decision makers at GM are really and truly "car guys" and by that I mean they get it and by that I mean your desire for a "Boss Beater" isn't lost on them.

I've said it before, the Boss is an IRS and nice interior away from being a truly world class car.............on paper. Have to qualify that because I haven't driven one and honestly I don't see that I'll have the opportunity any time soon.

And I agree, I like the fact it's from the OEM with the factory warranty. Yes, Pete can set you up aftermarket with a car that would very easily handle with the Boss at track day, but for some folks taking it home from the showroom with that capability has some weight. And for me, I look at cars for how the factory delivers them as much as I look at the ability to modify them aftermarket. To deliver a 1LT Camaro and rely on the aftermarket to provide the V8 upgrade, brake and chassis upgrades necessary to make an SS would be crazy. So you have to compare what the car does out of the box as much as what you can do yourself in the aftermarket. And as an engineer, I think it demonstrates the technical capacity of the organization to deliver the goods, not just enable the aftermarket. But regardless of how good it is, Pete and his peers in the aftermarket will be able to offer a more focussed solution for those that want to handle better or go faster or both.

My only hang up is with everyone that wants a "light weight" car. The Z28 in any generation was not light weighted. This to me is a bit of envy that the Mustang doesn't have to work as hard simply because it's smaller. For every idea you hear on this site that the Camaro should do to lose pounds, the Mustang could do as well. So if you want to play light weighting, Ford can do that too. It's really just money for premium materials and at some point just drives the cost of either car too high.

Face it, the Camaro is a bigger car, a brute, an in your face styling exercise with such sex appeal and magnetism that it is still out selling the Mustang 2 years into production with the convertible just ramping up and the ZL1 only announced and months away. Accept it and quit going after something that isn't necessary.........IMO.

So does GM want to have a car that doesn't just compete with the Boss but blows it into the weeds right from the factory? Yes, at least one of us does................ME. I don't like it that any competitor has a product that we can't compete with directly. But as I said, some of the people that can make that decsion do read this site, and mayyybeeeeee they come to Shno's House of Z and read this............

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

How have you been? How was your trip to Florida? I hope you enjoyed the sunshine state. How is the new Z/28 coming along?

Sorry for the misinterpretation of this Z thread.


Z
noun, plural Z's or Zs, z's or zs.
1. the 26th letter of the English alphabet, a consonant.
2. any spoken sound represented by the letter Z or z, as in zero, zigzag, or buzzer.
3. something having the shape of a Z .
4. first letter of a bad ass car made by Chevrolet.

It's all good. This thread has seemingly taken on a life of it's own, even bigger than Z, but Z is always at the heart of why it's here. I am constantly amazed by the number of visitors to this thread. That surely shows the passion for the Z28 or ZL1. Of course I'm also glad that 2 years ago I didn't call this thread "Shno's House of Z28", then we'd be hosed.

[LOWDOWN]

Number 3, on a slightly different vein, what is the likelihood of a broader selection of factory-produced V6 packages? The SEMA-seen "Dusk", perhaps a non-turbo "Leno-look", the "Executive" concept? Based on existing LS/LT models (V6)?

As thrilling/exciting as the ZL1 and Z/28 versions are, they do NOT address the big deficiency from the original business case of 60% V6 models required (but currently runs at about 40%). It seems to me that history tells us the Mustang has done a more credible job, over the years, of making their V6 models more market-driven, and their continued sales success (uninterrupted) is predicated by a larger % of V6-to-V8 versions, just as was planned/expected/predicted for Gen-5 Camaros but has not happened...yet.

Sales seem heavily slanted to Male purchasers. An opportunity to engage more Female ownership might be enhanced with Exterior Decor/Interior Trim packages....both for V6 AND V8s, but we'll simply ask about V6s here for now...

Again, as exciting as the "monsters" are, without solid base-engine penetration (at/above 50%), is sustaining the Brand beyond Gen-5 a concern?

Any insight, or thoughts?

[2cnd chance]

Number 3 I'm glad to hear your excited to see a Boss killer Z** as well. I also agree one has to offer competitive toys to meet preferably beat the competition. We at our firm had to do just such a thing. It makes for happy customers. They want to know they have options.

And I agree a stiffer chassis is more important than a little less weight. Yes I could build my own Z** from an SS, but it would not be factory. And I'd be embarrassed to put my own Z•• badge on it.

I also agree with the above poster in that the Camaro is more masculine than the Mustang. Hence the higher male purchases. I also agree that the Camaro can and should have a dressier look "Dusk" available to capture a new audience.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Number 3, on a slightly different vein, what is the likelihood of a broader selection of factory-produced V6 packages? The SEMA-seen "Dusk", perhaps a non-turbo "Leno-look", the "Executive" concept? Based on existing LS/LT models (V6)?

As thrilling/exciting as the ZL1 and Z/28 versions are, they do NOT address the big deficiency from the original business case of 60% V6 models required (but currently runs at about 40%). It seems to me that history tells us the Mustang has done a more credible job, over the years, of making their V6 models more market-driven, and their continued sales success (uninterrupted) is predicated by a larger % of V6-to-V8 versions, just as was planned/expected/predicted for Gen-5 Camaros but has not happened...yet.

Sales seem heavily slanted to Male purchasers. An opportunity to engage more Female ownership might be enhanced with Exterior Decor/Interior Trim packages....both for V6 AND V8s, but we'll simply ask about V6s here for now...

Again, as exciting as the "monsters" are, without solid base-engine penetration (at/above 50%), is sustaining the Brand beyond Gen-5 a concern?

Any insight, or thoughts?

Ohhhh man, there you go asking specific questions with which even if I knew I would be at risk of the proverbial black suburbans in my driveway for disclosing things which of course I have no knowledge of to disclose. However, I did hear a rumor that there is a NEW and IMPROVED Black color available on the 2012 Suburban.

I haven't seen the data for male/female purchases. Historically it seemed the Mustang had a larger female customer base while the Camaro seemed to be male dominated.

I think you are correct on the need for V6 penetration. CAFE certainly wants the overall FE for the model to be higher and the V6 undoubtedly helps with that. I think with the new V6 announced for 2012 and the 2LS model at 30 mpg it is clear that GM values the V6 market and will continue to offer substantial improvements to keep that a dominant part of the Camaro lineup.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I love reading this thread...

Calm...intelligent conversations about things that might get other threads closed...

I'd just like to put it on record that I don't...not...want (double negative!) a Z28 to be produced...I just question the need and business case. GM once had too many brands...I fear they're beginning to give Chevy too many cars...

Originally Posted by Number 3

So request respectfully denied. At least by me.

And he (^) pays me off, so...it stays.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

This thread is a classic. We call it home. I may move, but the thread stays!

Originally Posted by Number 3

My only hang up is with everyone that wants a "light weight" car. The Z28 in any generation was not light weighted. This to me is a bit of envy that the Mustang doesn't have to work as hard simply because it's smaller. For every idea you hear on this site that the Camaro should do to lose pounds, the Mustang could do as well. So if you want to play light weighting, Ford can do that too. It's really just money for premium materials and at some point just drives the cost of either car too high.

Face it, the Camaro is a bigger car, a brute, an in your face styling exercise with such sex appeal and magnetism that it is still out selling the Mustang 2 years into production with the convertible just ramping up and the ZL1 only announced and months away. Accept it and quit going after something that isn't necessary.........IMO.

I agree. The weight is there...deal with it. The car still performs superbly despite the minor disadvantage....

And it's a little more interesting to me because while some people seem to be demanding a light-weight Z28 track model from Chevy (on top of the focused-development ZL1 model)....the Boss Mustang GAINED weight when compared to the GT. So it's something of an unrealistic expectation, imo...

Would everyone be foaming at the mouth over the possibility of a 1SS (called Z28) with the ZL1 wheel/tires, stiffer suspension, a revised exhaust, and a cute-looking roll cage for $42,000 @ 3890 lbs?

I think I'd be interested, myself...but the ZL1 would still pull on my heartstrings....

[2cnd chance]

How about a ZL1 that has no supercharger, an adjustable (Peddar's?) suspension instead of the mag-ride, and a different front fascia and hood. Oh and a Z28 badge for around $41,900.?