Supercharging advice

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by East Coast Supercharging

I'm not sure if Ted has installed an ECS kit, so I'll answer my experiences between what you have posted. Any of the top mount/roots blowers are going to have much higher IAT's then any of the centrifugals listed, it's just the nature of the beast.
The centrifugals listed will all be fairly close in comparison given the same variables, boost level etc. The ECS kit has a slight advantage over the others because our ducting used is aluminum compared to steel. The aluminum acts as a continuous intercooler while the steel becomes a heat sink.

Boost in general is not something to be afraid of as long as you know the boundaries in which it remains safe. We supercharge several cars per week for some time now, and on average they last very long. Most cars are stock or just headers with the addition of the charger, but we have many-many cars over 700 rwhp, and a few over 800rwhp, with just our charger kit, headers, and meth injection that have been holding up that way for years.

Doug @ ECS

No We have not, but We worked on a ZO6 Yesterday with one of your Kits and to say the Least I was Impressed, Nicely Done

[caper]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

The Vortechs Have the Lowest IATs of Any Superchargers we have ever used on the Camaro.

It has the Largest intercooler on the Market, Rated for up to 1200 HP.

With our Vortech Upgrade kit We see 600-620 RWHP on Unopend LS3s at 10 PSI at Redline

It is the Only Kit that offers it's own 10 Rib self tensioning Drive system with an ATI SuperDamper Standard.

I Love the Vortechs I have 2 of them on my own cars.

A 900 HP 502 Big Block, 70 Chevelle Wagon, and a 2000 LS1 Trans Am WS6 Ram Air with 550 hp.




Ted.

and what about top mounts, is there a huge difference in IAT's? if i was to get a SC, i was going to go with a top mount (i hoped). i shop down here recomended a centri though, and said top mounts generate too much heat.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by caper

and what about top mounts, is there a huge difference in IAT's? if i was to get a SC, i was going to go with a top mount (i hoped). i shop down here recomended a centri though, and said top mounts generate too much heat.

NO I would not Say Huge, although they do tend to make a little more heat due to they're proximity.

The intercooler systems are liquid to air as opposed to Air to Air.

Some PD blowers are much cooler than others, We like Magnacharger, Whipple, and Edelbrock.

Ted.

[East Coast Supercharging]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

No We have not, but We worked on a ZO6 Yesterday with one of your Kits and to say the Least I was Impressed, Nicely Done

Thanks Ted!

We should talk in regards to trying our Camaro kit, I think you will like it.


Doug @ ECS

[Mike@RMCR]

Wanted to mention that all the ducting on the Vortech kit is aluminum as well. They also send a very nice Molded Intake duct and Maxflow Race Bypass valve.

I agree with Ted we have seen the lowest intake temps with the Vortech. Also the efficiency on the supercharger is close to 80% Which, means you can make more HP per lb of boost than any others supercharger on the market.

The Paxton Novi 1200 is the same as a Vortech Si Trim and the Novi 1500 is the same as a T-Trim. Since both company's are owned by Air Power Group.

Where Paxton shines is there new Novi 2500 which has 400 cfm more than a YSi. Although I have not tried it yet.

Vortech's kit by far is one of there best kits ever made. There dual bracket set up and provision for a 50mm cog drive is outstanding. The fit and finish on this kit is excellent and I would recommend it to anyone wanting to make some serious HP.

[East Coast Supercharging]

Originally Posted by Mike@RMCR

Where Paxton shines is there new Novi 2500 which has 400 cfm more than a YSi. Although I have not tried it yet.

We have been using the 2500 in a couple of our eight second Vettes and they have been working flawlessly.

[Wvallediego]

:(Damn, How come everyone talks about how many horsepower they have in their signatures, but no one mentions cracking or busting their engines up?

[Rcfiddy1]

Originally Posted by Wvallediego

:(Damn, How come everyone talks about how many horsepower they have in their signatures, but no one mentions cracking or busting their engines up?

Maybe because the ones posting haven't blown up anything, Yet....LOL. Or better yet, When it does go boom they change their sig to the new motor....

[CC Performance]

I would look at all the blown up LS3/L99 engines from superchargers and then ask myself how dependable an engine that was not built for being boosted is... being boosted...

rings and bearings are gapped differently on boosted motors than on none boosted engines. GM will not just slap a supercharger on this engine and add fuel and a meth kit and call it good... engine internals expand when they heat up and power adders cause this to happen rapidly.. none of the band-aids to running boost will address this.. its called a proper build.

running a super charger on an engine not built for it is a risk no matter who is doing it. Its not just about the IAT's and detonation.. its about the engine being properly built for it . Look around these engines are dieing with no help at all and your talking about doing something that could potentially kill your engine and you wont have a warranty to cover it.

If your going to do then get warranty with it. Edelbrock offers a supplemental warranty if you follow their criteria.. You can get varying coverage from it up to 100,000 miles and 5 years.. This is the only way I would risk that engine. You have to have it installed by a pro and use their tune... its conservative for a reason...

Do more research then just posting a thread and asking a question.. their is plenty of information on here and plenty of broken engines as well. I offer Edelbrock and Maggy superchargers but I never put profit ahead of good advice.. which is what I just gave you.

[CC Performance]

Originally Posted by Wvallediego

:(Damn, How come everyone talks about how many horsepower they have in their signatures, but no one mentions cracking or busting their engines up?

Because poeple dont like to admit when they screwed up. They also might have pimped a certain vendor and now they are paying the true price and dont want it to reflect bad on the vendor who sold them the kit that blew their car up...LOL

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by CC Performance

I would look at all the blown up LS3/L99 engines from superchargers and then ask myself how dependable an engine that was not built for being boosted is... being boosted...

rings and bearings are gapped differently on boosted motors than on none boosted engines. GM will not just slap a supercharger on this engine and add fuel and a meth kit and call it good... engine internals expand when they heat up and power adders cause this to happen rapidly.. none of the band-aids to running boost will address this.. its called a proper build.

running a super charger on an engine not built for it is a risk no matter who is doing it. Its not just about the IAT's and detonation.. its about the engine being properly built for it . Look around these engines are dieing with no help at all and your talking about doing something that could potentially kill your engine and you wont have a warranty to cover it.

If your going to do then get warranty with it. Edelbrock offers a supplemental warranty if you follow their criteria.. You can get varying coverage from it up to 100,000 miles and 5 years.. This is the only way I would risk that engine. You have to have it installed by a pro and use their tune... its conservative for a reason...

Do more research then just posting a thread and asking a question.. their is plenty of information on here and plenty of broken engines as well. I offer Edelbrock and Maggy superchargers but I never put profit ahead of good advice.. which is what I just gave you.

While I agree w/ some of your premise, these motors aren`t built for boost ect.. I don`t think everyone needs a built motor to start with. Reasoning is even built motors come apart all the time. People just run more boost because, well, the motor is built for it and they want more power. So its life is limited usually as well, I mean who builds a motor and then runs low boost?

The other area I disagree w/ is cost. If I blow my stock motor up I have to build a motor. If I build one now I have to pay for that. So either way your buying a motor. Exception is you could sell your good stock motor for a little cash.

From what I can see boosted stock motors last about 3-5years if properly done right, some are exceptions, blow up on the dyno, during tuning, a month down the road or last 10 years... But most seem to fit the 3-5 year time frame from what I`ve seen. So averages say I can enjoy my car boosted for 3-5 years and have that amount of time to save money to build a motor. Of course I could be unlucky and it blow up tomorrow, but I could also be lucky and it last longer than the 3-5years.

As far as warranty goes, anybody wanting to add a supercharger and wanting a warranty, well I personally think thats crazy talk, unless its a zr1,zl1, ctsv or gt-500 that they leave stock and don`t mod. You have to pay to play and I accept this and it is part of the risk of modifying a car.

I do understand your theory, I just don`t think its the only way...

[East Coast Supercharging]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

While I agree w/ some of your premise, these motors aren`t built for boost ect.. I don`t think everyone needs a built motor to start with. Reasoning is even built motors come apart all the time. People just run more boost because, well, the motor is built for it and they want more power. So its life is limited usually as well, I mean who builds a motor and then runs low boost?

The other area I disagree w/ is cost. If I blow my stock motor up I have to build a motor. If I build one now I have to pay for that. So either way your buying a motor. Exception is you could sell your good stock motor for a little cash.

From what I can see boosted stock motors last about 3-5years if properly done right, some are exceptions, blow up on the dyno, during tuning, a month down the road or last 10 years... But most seem to fit the 3-5 year time frame from what I`ve seen. So averages say I can enjoy my car boosted for 3-5 years and have that amount of time to save money to build a motor. Of course I could be unlucky and it blow up tomorrow, but I could also be lucky and it last longer than the 3-5years.

As far as warranty goes, anybody wanting to add a supercharger and wanting a warranty, well I personally think thats crazy talk, unless its a zr1,zl1, ctsv or gt-500 that they leave stock and don`t mod. You have to pay to play and I accept this and it is part of the risk of modifying a car.

I do understand your theory, I just don`t think its the only way...

I would have to agree with just about everything you said here, the other post made it sound like every car that gets a supercharger will fail which is absolutely not the case. We supercharge a few cars per week minimum, plus what gets shipped out, the odds of failure are not very high. Those that do fail usually have a good reason for it, and the owner is well aware why.

Obviously things break stock, supercharging only amplifies the chances of this, but it's not a death sentence to your drive train by any means.

One of our customers who holds the stock bottom end LS1 record for Vettes (9.73 @ 144) has won race series' with the car and has over 1,300 passes on the original engine. It is also driven into the city on nice days and taken to work. We have another customer who we installed a charger on his C5 at 105k, the car has come back for a cam and meth injection along the way, and now has over 225k on it and is occasional raced.
We have had other customers install a charger, get bad fuel a month later and hurt a piston, but most are somewhere in the middle of those examples.

Without a doubt though, if your the guy putting the supercharger on a credit card, on a financed car, while your out of work, you will definitely be the guy who has a problem down the line. It just seems to work out that way..



Doug @ ECS

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by East Coast Supercharging

I would have to agree with just about everything you said here, the other post made it sound like every car that gets a supercharger will fail which is absolutely not the case. We supercharge a few cars per week minimum, plus what gets shipped out, the odds of failure are not very high. Those that do fail usually have a good reason for it, and the owner is well aware why.

Obviously things break stock, supercharging only amplifies the chances of this, but it's not a death sentence to your drive train by any means.

One of our customers who holds the stock bottom end LS1 record for Vettes (9.73 @ 144) has won race series' with the car and has over 1,300 passes on the original engine. It is also driven into the city on nice days and taken to work. We have another customer who we installed a charger on his C5 at 105k, the car has come back for a cam and meth injection along the way, and now has over 225k on it and is occasional raced.
We have had other customers install a charger, get bad fuel a month later and hurt a piston, but most are somewhere in the middle of those examples.

Without a doubt though, if your the guy putting the supercharger on a credit card, on a financed car, while your out of work, you will definitely be the guy who has a problem down the line. It just seems to work out that way..



Doug @ ECS

My Experience is the Same as Yours Doug

Supercharging it NOT a Death Sentence!!!

Well Said to Both of You

[94guy]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

My Experience is the Same as Yours Doug

Supercharging it NOT a Death Sentence!!!

Well Said to Both of You

i sure hope mine holds up