Color Poll..are the colors good enough?

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Because as I have already stated, sales reflect what is available to buy, not all colors are available to buy, so sales are absolutely not a legitimate argument.

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

2012ZL1 has a logical point there, Mac. Sales of custom orders would be a direct indication, but not total sales - because what is available isn't typically the entire color palate.

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But the colors that are available are influenced by years of sales and data gathering. So yes, sales are a valid argument.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

But the colors that are available are influenced by years of sales and data gathering. So yes, sales are a valid argument.

Also, GM does perform a lot of market research, including the use of focus groups, with regard to colors to help to determine what color choices to offer on their vehicles.

[izone]

Fbodfather,
I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate all the time you spend on here with us. I am sure many of the others do as well. As far as the dead horse is concerned, I believe he is live and well. Reason is that color is an emotional choice in my opinion and we can pretty much guess how things can drag out when emotions are involved.

Anyway, after reading on & on, I wanted to know what is the process of color validation? I read it all the time on here, & please excuse my ignorance, but why does it cost so much. I mean, why can't just any color work? Why would there be problems with matches in a color brought back after only a 1 year hiatus (ala sebring silver in 2002)? Why spend all the $$$$? Please educate us, I'd love to hear about it.

[Pappa Joe]

Originally Posted by htron50

WOW BEAR. YOU JUST GOT AN "A" in this class!! Thanks!

Now, if the disciples saw this what would they do?

My wristband now says What Would Disciples Do?

WWDD




(I'd hope they like the Champagne!!))))))))))))

Disciples are color blind!

My core colors would be Hugger Orange,Sunset Yellow,Black,Lime Green,Blue Metalic,Candy Apple Red...those are the primary muscle car colors imo.Then throw in a few others and your set.95% of people would be happy. Wouldnt use those colors in a luxury car but muscle car yes!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

When I got that far into reading I literally felt a wave of nausea. I got from the context that you were being tongue-in-cheek, but it took me, scratch that- IS taking me a few minutes to recover.

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Ya know guys & gals, I've made peace with what is, and I'm gonna be loving my Black, IBM, or possibly Ashen ZL1... until I paint it Dusk Blue whenever I decide to go there. It won't be in the first couple of years while the factory paint is new and the car has no dings.

I'm pretty sure I understand to an extent how Scott feels as I read his posts. He wants us to all be happy as buzzards on a gut-wagon, but the old maxim that you can't please all of the people is one of the prime constants in the universe. It always gets in the way. We appreciate you listening and talking with us Fbodfather, and know that it's not your choice, more of a choice of fitting into the constraints of marketing and physical & fiscal limitations. We know you're passionate, but do try to keep from tying square knots into your bowels.

The biggest problem is as Scott has said, it's a subjective thing. What one person thinks is the bomb, another will call, "crap."

That said, while the poll is unscientific, that doesn't necessarily indicate that it doesn't contain valuable information. It may point us toward asking better questions and thereby understanding the group psychology that is influencing our color conundrum.

I agree that in large part the subjectivity of colors creates most of the imbalance, but taking all of the negative posts about color choice as a whole into consideration at once, I think I see a secondary cause.

It's rooted in the human natures of pride and machismo. I don't say that as a negative thing, only as an observation. Camaros - and especially ZL1s - are macho filled cars to be driven by guys & gals with an abundant portion of MO-JO, as Austin Powers would put it. People like us love to be . p:e:a:c:o:c:k:s. .. Sometimes we express that by being dark and sinister, like the best selling Darth Vader Black, and sometimes by showing feathers & screaming, "look at me!"

If I had a quarter for every time someone used the word "bold" in a color thread I would have a considerably larger down payment for my beasty.

So one hypothesis I have as to the color dissatisfaction as a whole is that the majority of the color palate looks like it was chosen by committee rather that out of passion. Inoffensive colors have trouble appealing to what I'll call the . "p:e:a:c:o:c:k: factor" . of human nature.

I expect the colors were in fact chosen by committee, and I understand why it must be done that way, BUT... (and you knew there was a but)

... I firmly believe that there would be much more satisfaction in the choices across the board if at least a couple of the colors weren't chosen by committee, but out of a single individual's passion.

Consider what might happen if you took the Disciples, before considering the color question, and had each one pick one color. Tell them not to consider any limitations of logistics or manufacturing constraints. Just for an exercise pick one color that they would LOVE to see driving down the street, or something that they believe everyone would see as mind-blowingly-cool and eye catching. Synergy green was a perfect example. Producing even one of the colors they picked would fulfill the. "p:e:a:c:o:c:k: factor" for a large portion of the naysayers.

It would fill a psychological gap, which is what I believe this poll is truly indicating, albeit unscientifically. I speculate that satisfaction would be enhanced for a large majority of those who are passionate about Camaro. Even if that color didn't sell over 4%, we would all still think of it as one of our "feathers."

Sales numbers of a particular color might not be the only factor concerning color choices that has an effect of the group psychology of the customer base. A certain number of people might just be drawn in by the wow factor and decide on Camaro because it appeals to that part of their psyche, even if they didn't ultimately buy the one that brought them into the fold.

Just my considered opinion.


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Edit: If any of you MODs could approve PiEiAiCiOiCiK as a valid word choice, that would be kinda cool and appreciated.

....but I still want Palomino Ivory and I'm holding my breath until I get it.........<sarcasim of course...> Good post Scarrzz. <and thanks for drawing some fire>

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

But the colors that are available are influenced by years of sales and data gathering. So yes, sales are a valid argument.

I don't see that that necessarily follows, because someone who is buying off a lot will by necessity only take what is on the lot. This happens over and over for years, so the total sales numbers would be skewed in favor of the highest produced colors, statistically speaking.

Only total sales where all colors are available would be a direct representation of preferred color choice.

You see where I'm coming from here, I'm sure.

There's a wad of variables to consider, that's for sure.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

I don't see that that necessarily follows, because someone who is buying off a lot will by necessity only take what is on the lot. This happens over and over for years, so the total sales numbers would be skewed in favor of the highest produced colors, statistically speaking.

Only total sales where all colors are available would be a direct representation of preferred color choice.

You see where I'm coming from here, I'm sure.

There's a wad of variables to consider, that's for sure.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

[Mr. Wyndham]

With all due respect....This has gone on for far longer than I could have ever predicted...

While 100% of the population can never "love" the color palette...100% doesn't hate it, either. For every detractor (and I've only ever seen a few)...each one can still identify at least one or two colors they'd be happy to buy a Camaro in.

Again, with respect, it is not our position to pass judgement on the entire color range for Camaro. Because, unless we have limitless funding, few of us here can or want to afford 10 different Camaros...so...choose one you like. If you cannot chose one you like - - THEN there's an issue worth discussing...because otherwise, you don't need to like all 10. You're only getting one.

/soapbox....


so much ado over nothing, imo...

vibrant colors? Check.
earthy colors? Check.
metallic? check
glossy? check

the exact color you have pictured in your head and demand it be poured into a hopper at Oshawa?.....well, maybe not...

[OldScoolCamaro]

Guys, lets bail and go to the Woosah place, this has become pointless!

[htron50]

Orville's sales are going up, and it's my hope that I can drive to the store in early February in my Crystal Red Metallic ZL1 to get some more , listening to the exhaust drumming through my head as I make my way to the store. Another good excuse to take her for a ride and

I don't know how this debate is going to end. I'm getting tired of it. I do, however, think there is a big heap of concern out here that GM needs to address "officially" somehow ... whatever that means?? There is legitimate issues on both sides.

By the way, I saw a CRM vette today...... we were both driving along 1-26 near Charleston SC on a bright sunny day. The car was amazing looking. Simply amazing!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

I don't see that that necessarily follows, because someone who is buying off a lot will by necessity only take what is on the lot. This happens over and over for years, so the total sales numbers would be skewed in favor of the highest produced colors, statistically speaking.

Only total sales where all colors are available would be a direct representation of preferred color choice.

You see where I'm coming from here, I'm sure.

There's a wad of variables to consider, that's for sure.

Exactly! How many times do we settle for what's available, and not just cars. I also know of someone that was turned on to the Camaro by ABM after it was axed, so he settled on white. The question is would he have bought a Camaro at all if the ABM Camaro was never made? Or how many won't now buy a Camaro since the color they love is no longer available? Are woman swayed more by color choice than men? Many things to consider. Non-color will always sell more than color just as apartments will always be painted beige. Color is more of a commitment.

[DITCHDIGGER]

After reading all the posts here I have come to realize that I am just not among the norm when it comes to color choice on my new vehicles. I completely understand from a business standpoint why the color situation is the way it is. No car company is going to produce anything that is going to cause them to lose money.

I decided to do a search because I want to see what is out there right now in the event I decided I wanted to buy a new 2SS. I am a huge fan of blues and greens. I was only able to find 2 IBM SS camaros anywhere near me and they were both automatics (I will be looking for a manual when the time comes for me). There were plenty of black, red, orange and yellow ones around though. None of which I would ever consider. I guess I would have to order one when I finally decide what I want. I just hope that if I decide on a camaro that there is still a blue color to choose from. If not, I won't be buying a camaro. Color choice is that important to me. And repainting a brand new car is not an option.

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

No fair, I was enjoying the reasoned discussion... I demand we - uhh - wait one...

Dealer reference is out? Kinda busy reading now, TTYL





Edit: Exposed CF extractor for MY 12... I think Black just won the game.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

No fair, I was enjoying the reasoned discussion... I demand we - uhh - wait one...

Dealer reference is out? Kinda busy reading now, TTYL





Edit: Exposed CF extractor for MY 12... I think Black just won the game.

The contrast against white would be killer as well!