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inferno camaro · 12-11-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Don't push. Give them the time to get it right. They have done plenty of these packages and will take the time to make sure it is right before you get it back. You want to let them get it done on their schedule. I'm sure they know you want it back...

I've been trying to be patient, and not call them every other day. It just seems every step takes a little longer than planned.

They picked it up on 11/23, so thanksgiving cost us some time. It could be just that I'm excited to get it back.
I want to drive it once before the snow flys.

Blueclyde · 12-11-2011, 09:08 PM

I'm sure they are close if it just needs to go on the dyno. I'm sure you will get it back this coming week. Post you results...

S3XPanther · 12-12-2011, 06:01 PM

bump

SGOS252382 · 12-12-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by inferno camaro

Daaaaam

!!!!!!

I can't wait! I'm gonna have to call them first thing in the morning and give them push.

Your car sounds just like my cammed 05 GTO with Kooks headers and Corsa Sport exhaust. In other words it sounds real good (but loud).
My neighbors weren't so happy at 6am every morning on cold start ups.

I ended up having to tame it down a bit to make them happy.

I ened up switching over to the Touring exhaust. It still sounded great, but a little less explosive on cold start ups.

Blueclyde · 12-12-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Your car sounds just like my cammed 05 GTO with Kooks headers and Corsa Sport exhaust. In other words it sounds real good (but loud).
My neighbors weren't so happy at 6am every morning on cold start ups.

I ended up having to tame it down a bit to make them happy.

I ened up switching over to the Touring exhaust. It still sounded great, but a little less explosive on cold start ups.

It is loud but I don't start it early in the morning so my neighbors have not complained. Plus both of my immediate neighbors are car guys...

inferno camaro · 12-13-2011, 08:24 PM

I got the call this evening, it is done and will be delivered tommorrow night. The delivery driver called so I was not able to get results yet. It sounds like we are going to get hit by heavy rain the next couple days so it will just sit and wait for sunshine.

tony1 · 12-14-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

It is loud but I don't start it early in the morning so my neighbors have not complained. Plus both of my immediate neighbors are car guys...

If they are Car guys then you should start it up a few times in the mornin.. nothing better than waking up with a Woodie

caverman · 12-14-2011, 04:15 PM

+1 for the trailing arms and cradle bushings. You'll be on the border of being able to do bushing inserts instead of the full bushing.

Personally, I would look at installing the Pedders Stage 1 street kit (craddle bushing inserts and radius rod inserts).

I had the Energy Suspension inserts which are the same design as BMR's. I personally didn't like how they installed. Pedders are a much better design along with a stronger poly IMO. I did a thread where I showed the difference in the two inserts. Energy were a lot less but in this case you get what you pay for.

Without trailing arms and bone stock I had tons of wheel hop at the track. A set of TAs fixed that right up. Even after adding headers/tune I've beaten other Camaros with the same setup and more just because they couldn't hook and I could. One was the same setup and within a few HP of each other. I beat him by a full second. Other guy was mostly stock but with an Edelbrock supercharger and 21" wheels. Beat him by just over a second. He had more HP than me but no suspension work.

All that HP doesn't do you any good if you can't put it to the ground.

mikeSS · 12-14-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by inferno camaro

I got the call this evening, it is done and will be delivered tommorrow night. The delivery driver called so I was not able to get results yet. It sounds like we are going to get hit by heavy rain the next couple days so it will just sit and wait for sunshine.

i am sure just hearing the idle will due for a day.

inferno camaro · 12-15-2011, 09:48 AM

They results are in. Not quite what I was expecting. They are telling me the converter eats up about 20 HP on the dyno, does that sound right?
My mods are LT headers, HF cats, ls3 conv, roto fab CAI, stock cat back, 2r cam 235/242 608/613 114 lsa, 3000 stall, What do you think?

S3XPanther · 12-15-2011, 10:06 AM

That looks about right for a dyno jet, but they're a little on the low side. With a higher stall you'll probably put down even more, try 3200. Just a question though. How are you able to run a cam that size? I thought the biggest we could run without having to cut reliefs in the pistons was a 231/236 cam?

Also, the 114 LSA explains such low torque.

S3XPanther · 12-15-2011, 10:11 AM

Wait, I just re-read your mods. First of all, a new cat back would probably give you a few more hp. And secondly, and most importantly, with cam that size you really should have considered 1) porting the heads, 2) getting a FAST 102 intake, and 3) a NW 102 TB. Without some serious increase in induction, you're really not making use of the cam's higher lift.

inferno camaro · 12-15-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by S3XPanther

That looks about right. With a higher stall you'll probably put down even more, try 3200. Just a question though. How are you able to run a cam that size? I thought the biggest we could run without having to cut reliefs in the pistons was a 231/236 cam?

Also, the 114 LSA explains such low torque.

Not sure, but they seem to do a lot of these and no cut was required.

They told me an aftermarket converter would make it read 20 hp less than the stock the one.

S3XPanther · 12-15-2011, 10:16 AM

I have no clue how a stall affects dyno numbers, hopefully someone can chime in.

12-12-2011, 06:01 PM	#45
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12-14-2011, 04:15 PM	#50
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	+1 for the trailing arms and cradle bushings. You'll be on the border of being able to do bushing inserts instead of the full bushing. Personally, I would look at installing the Pedders Stage 1 street kit (craddle bushing inserts and radius rod inserts). I had the Energy Suspension inserts which are the same design as BMR's. I personally didn't like how they installed. Pedders are a much better design along with a stronger poly IMO. I did a thread where I showed the difference in the two inserts. Energy were a lot less but in this case you get what you pay for. Without trailing arms and bone stock I had tons of wheel hop at the track. A set of TAs fixed that right up. Even after adding headers/tune I've beaten other Camaros with the same setup and more just because they couldn't hook and I could. One was the same setup and within a few HP of each other. I beat him by a full second. Other guy was mostly stock but with an Edelbrock supercharger and 21" wheels. Beat him by just over a second. He had more HP than me but no suspension work. All that HP doesn't do you any good if you can't put it to the ground. __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

12-15-2011, 09:48 AM	#52
inferno camaro Drives: 2010 camaro pace car, 2008 cts bl, Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 841	They results are in. Not quite what I was expecting. They are telling me the converter eats up about 20 HP on the dyno, does that sound right? My mods are LT headers, HF cats, ls3 conv, roto fab CAI, stock cat back, 2r cam 235/242 608/613 114 lsa, 3000 stall, What do you think? Attached Images

12-15-2011, 10:06 AM	#53
S3XPanther by Odeon Drives: '12 SS/RS A6 IOM SOLD, '13 1LE IOM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Good question Posts: 1,707	That looks about right for a dyno jet, but they're a little on the low side. With a higher stall you'll probably put down even more, try 3200. Just a question though. How are you able to run a cam that size? I thought the biggest we could run without having to cut reliefs in the pistons was a 231/236 cam? Also, the 114 LSA explains such low torque. __________________ "It works 60% of the time, every time." "Some say it's a waste of time, others say it's an incredible waste of time." "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." 2013 IOM SS/RS - 1LE. Born 5/6/2013 (1 of 32 1SS IOM 1LE's)

12-15-2011, 10:11 AM	#54
S3XPanther by Odeon Drives: '12 SS/RS A6 IOM SOLD, '13 1LE IOM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Good question Posts: 1,707	Wait, I just re-read your mods. First of all, a new cat back would probably give you a few more hp. And secondly, and most importantly, with cam that size you really should have considered 1) porting the heads, 2) getting a FAST 102 intake, and 3) a NW 102 TB. Without some serious increase in induction, you're really not making use of the cam's higher lift. __________________ "It works 60% of the time, every time." "Some say it's a waste of time, others say it's an incredible waste of time." "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." 2013 IOM SS/RS - 1LE. Born 5/6/2013 (1 of 32 1SS IOM 1LE's)

12-11-2011, 09:08 PM	#44
Blueclyde Drives: 2023 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,717	I'm sure they are close if it just needs to go on the dyno. I'm sure you will get it back this coming week. Post you results...

12-13-2011, 08:24 PM	#48
inferno camaro Drives: 2010 camaro pace car, 2008 cts bl, Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 841	I got the call this evening, it is done and will be delivered tommorrow night. The delivery driver called so I was not able to get results yet. It sounds like we are going to get hit by heavy rain the next couple days so it will just sit and wait for sunshine.

12-15-2011, 10:16 AM	#56
S3XPanther by Odeon Drives: '12 SS/RS A6 IOM SOLD, '13 1LE IOM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Good question Posts: 1,707	I have no clue how a stall affects dyno numbers, hopefully someone can chime in. __________________ "It works 60% of the time, every time." "Some say it's a waste of time, others say it's an incredible waste of time." "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." 2013 IOM SS/RS - 1LE. Born 5/6/2013 (1 of 32 1SS IOM 1LE's)

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