First independent video of the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 on the 1/4 mile track

[Orange Krate]

What I liked about the video was... it ISN'T a Mustang! What they didn't show was the Mustang owner sitting back in the pits with his head in his hands crying and green with envy.

[mr02Z/28]

Not a great driver, but still......... a 13.5 in a ZL1 ????? wow.......

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by mlee

Trap speeds from the 1/4 mile fast list... for comparison. All of these faster than your 12.4

Weight. The cars you posted already have a 200-300 lbs. weight advantage stock. Then add in the weight savings of a full exhaust swap and smaller wheels and tires. I see the ZL1 running low 12's. There may be a could people to get them in to high 11's but that will be rare. My guess is that very few will actually see the track.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

^-- The guy in the video even admits this was his first time on a 1/4 mi and his first run was with everything off... Not exactly a car you learn on..

Yeah but he couldn't get out of the 13's with launch control. Isn't launch control supposed to make launching idiot proof?? This car will do well on a road course because the mass is moving. But from a stop 4,100 lbs. will not be easy to get going, I don't care how great your suspension is. My guess is that we will see high trap speeds, but disappointing E.T.'s with this car.

[mr02Z/28]

How fast does a 2012 CTS-V run... all "stock" ???

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

How fast does a 2012 CTS-V run... all "stock" ???

11.9 is the best stock pass here. That's only 1 car and from what I could find researching, it's the record run. I expect the same from the ZL1. Maybe a tenth or 2 faster for the record run.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ions-list.html

[mr02Z/28]

ok, thanx....


and i thought i was a bad driver mustering mid-low 13s in my 2011 1SS Auto, only had it out at the track 1 day in warm weather......

[mlee]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

I said average "best" the ones you listed are the very best of the best. theyre pretty much just "hero" runs. That's why theyre so high on the all time list.

For example the best time for a stock 2010 camaro is what,12.6? The average "best" is probably closer to 12.9-13.0 with the average run probably closer to 13.2-13.3


Not only that but the times you listed are people running drag radials which will typically give you better traction (ET) than street tires

it doesn't matter if it's a hero run or not.. Those trap times could have just as well been on a slow run from a big build car... my point is the trap times I quoted from the mags will produce high 11's easy... and yes you need good traction to do it...

As others have said... it's an indication of the power you are putting down... just need to figure out how to work in a solid 60' and you are in the 11's..

Here are more that aren't at the top of the list...

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

The 12.3@117 was with a pro driver

MotorTrend had 12.1 seconds at 117 mph

Car and Driver had 12.3 at 119

[mlee]

Originally Posted by hognutz

anybody who is talking about these times is wasting breath.

If you have ever drag raced which probably some people talking have not. you will no there is no coming back from a huge error on a pass.

you don't get to forget traction control, or bounce off the limiter, etc and salvage the pass.

once you see a clean pass then talk about the time. you have to kow the 60' as well to really see the whole story.

The current GT500 runs good trap the 60 foot times can be in the 2. area though. that is why the ET's are not good for the power. they need help on the tractiojn department. Set of slicks and the same car move's the f out.

the ZL1 may suffer this as well I have not seen the 60' times on it yet.

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

How long are we going to have to wait for the right driver to come along?

Until I get mine and let 02pewtersix drive it for me...

Originally Posted by den318

Totally delusional......The ZL1 will lose badly to the 13GT500 at the drag strip. Just wait for the official number. You will

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by mlee

You are totally missing it... it doesn't matter if it's a hero run as you call it or not.. Those trap times could have just as well been on a slow run from a big build car... my point is the trap times I quoted from the mags will produce high 11's easy... and yes you need good traction to do it...

As others have said... it's an indication of the power you are putting down... just need to figure out how to work in a solid 60' and you are in the 11's..

Here are more that aren't at the top of the list...

All those cars are on a good tire. If you want to make your point find a car that runs an 11 with that mph on stock tires.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by mlee

Until I get mine and let 02pewtersix drive it for me...

I predict the bone stock ZL1 list will look A LOT like the SS bolt on list times. A very small amount of 11s with the fastest being about 11.6 with a great driver and negative DA but the overwhelming majority will be mid to low 12s.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

All those cars are on a good tire. If you want to make your point find a car that runs an 11 with that mph on stock tires.

I did say solid 60'... however you can get it... awesome driving or DR's doesn't matter to me...

when I see 119 trap... I can make do with that... why go to the drag strip with a 580hp car and no DR's anyway...

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

I predict the bone stock ZL1 list will look A LOT like the SS bolt on list times. A very small amount of 11s with the fastest being about 11.6 with a great driver and negative DA but the overwhelming majority will be mid to low 12s.

Since the bone stock list gets to mid 12's with 110 trap you are probably right... I'm going to lean toward a few more 11's though especially since we are already seeing low 12's from the magazines in Arizona DA...

...now you're going to make me keep my car stock longer just so I can get there... LOL... Time will tell

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

All those cars are on a good tire. If you want to make your point find a car that runs an 11 with that mph on stock tires.

this. Modded ZL1's will be running 11's pretty easily but stock,the 116 mph trap usually gets you a 12.4 or so. a ZL1 running 12.4 would be the equivalent of an SS running 13.0 or so. also you have to remember its harder to cut a 60' time in a heavier car vs. a lighter car even if they have the same power to weight.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by mlee

when I see 119 trap... I can make do with that... why go to the drag strip with a 580hp car and no DR's anyway...

I'm going to lean toward a few more 11's though especially since we are already seeing low 12's from the magazines in Arizona DA...

...now you're going to make me keep my car stock longer just so I can get there... LOL... Time will tell

Yeah, I'm not a fan of how everyone makes a big deal of running on stock tires, I would much rather throw sticky tires on cars and seeing what they can really do!

Remember DA doesn't affect blower cars nearly as much as N/A cars. Let's say two cars run a 12.0 @119 in +1,000 DA. One is N/A and the other has a blower. at 0 DA the N/A car would run a 11.698 @ 122.165 MPH and the blower car would run a 11.831 @ 120.69 MPH.

I'm in the same boat, the only reason my car is still just bolt ons is because I'm trying to get in the 11s first. I can't wait to throw my cam in and get the lumpy idle.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

this. Modded ZL1's will be running 11's pretty easily but stock,the 116 mph trap usually gets you a 12.4 or so. a ZL1 running 12.4 would be the equivalent of an SS running 13.0 or so. also you have to remember its harder to cut a 60' time in a heavier car vs. a lighter car even if they have the same power to weight.

I already agreed with SUX2BU... Not sure why you continue to quote the slower times... when there are faster ones... there is also much more torque with this engine than with the LS3.