(jalopnik) Chevy’s Anti-GT500, Pro-Camaro ZL1 Smack-Talking Powerpoint

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

An obvious play on words.
A fighter jet is not a commerical airplane simply if the pilot decides to charge someone a fee to take them on a joy simply because he uses it for that purpose.

The analogy to a fighter jet is not appropriate.

As you point out, just because a pilot may charge a fee to take someone for a joyride in a fighter jet doesn't mean that the fighter jet can be legally used for commercial air travel. In fact, a fighter jet cannot be licensed for commercial air transportation. Therefore, a fighter jet can't legally be used as a commercial aircraft. Just as a vehicle that can't be licensed for street use can't be a grocery getter. For, example, the new 5th Gen COPO Camaro can't be licensed for street use and, therefore, can't be a grocery getter.

However, a 5th Gen Camaro SS and a 1970 Hemi 'Cuda can be licensed for street use, and, therefore, can be grocery getters.

[YourBlindingBias]

I think you actually went towards it was "designed" to be a grocery getter".
I don't know alot of 400+hp cars that the manufacturers designed just to be grocery getters. You can also say they designed it to sit in a garage un-driven, since people do that too.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Source, link, article??

go get the magazine.its there. Theres even a pic.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

I think you actually went towards it was "designed" to be a grocery getter".
I don't know alot of 400+hp cars that the manufacturers designed just to be grocery getters. You can also say they designed it to sit in a garage un-driven, since people do that too.

Clearly, the 5th Gen Camaro wasn't designed exclusively to get groceries. I think that the 5th Gen Camaro was designed knowing that the majority of its use would be on public streets, and knowing that most of the time it would be parked, inside and outside of garages.

I'm confident that one of the design requirements was being able to transport items other than only people in it. Since it has a passenger seat, a back seat, and a trunk, it seems reasonable that people would use the 5th Gen Camaro to transport groceries and other items, and that its uses wouldn't be limited only to high performance applications.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

The analogy to a fighter jet is not appropriate.

As you point out, just because a pilot may take someone for a joyride in a fighter jet doesn't mean that the fighter jet can be legally used for commercial air travel. In fact, a fighter jet cannot be licensed for commercial air transportation. Therefore, a fighter jet can't legally be used as a commercial aircraft. Just as a vehicle that can't be licensed for street use can't be a grocery getter. For, example, the new 5th Gen COPO Camaro can't be licensed for street use and, therefore, can't be a grocery getter.

However, a 5th Gen Camaro SS and a 1970 Hemi 'Cuda can be licensed for street use, and, therefore, can be grocery getters.

I never said any of that.
You said a "camaro is a grocery getter" because it's used as one even if it wasn't the intended use.
I say you're wrong because it doesn't matter what you use tools for it's their intended use that takes precedence. The SS was built for drivers not grocery getters. Whehter you do or not is irrellevant, whether you go on the track with it is irrellevent, you don't have to take a car to a track to drive it the way it was designed to be driven.

Wrap my analogy with symantics but it's the same as yours.
You can also use a bus to get groceries because it's licensed to be used on the street doesn't mean it was built to do groceries.

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Hotrod magazine march 2012 actual dyno...

"the dyno computer screen showing the proof. The 650 horsepower rating is at the maximum continuous rpm of 6250, but the redline is 7,000 at which point we saw 670-plus horsepower on the screen. But Ford probably doesn't want you to know that. In fact, we were asked to blur some of the proprietary data."

Of course you can deny it all day.

Thanks for the backup. Most people who know me are aware of how much research I do on my build so I deal in facts not .

That's a 90hp. difference from a ZL1 it can't be denied much deserved respect simply because one prefers another vehicle over the other.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Clearly, the 5th Gen Camaro wasn't designed exclusively to get groceries. I think that the 5th Gen Camaro was designed knowing that the majority of its use would be on public streets, and knowing that most of the time it would be parked, inside and outside of garages.

I'm confident that one of the design requirements was being able to transport items other than only people in it. Since it has a passenger seat, a back seat, and a trunk, it seems reasonable that people would use the 5th Gen Camaro to transport groceries and other items, and that its uses wouldn't be limited only to high performance applications.

Well you can put groceries in a Lamborghini's trunk as well

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Well you can put groceries in a Lamborghini's trunk as well

Absolutely!

[Brent Hinds]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Answer #2: I was totally un-aware that GM had a plant on the Nurem"burg[er]" in Germany. They must have some great BBQ's there.

Sorry. Nuremburger, Nurembergring. Same difference. I'll never go there.

[YourBlindingBias]

It's nurburgring. lol
Although a nuremburger with cheese doesn't sound so bad.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Well you can put groceries in a Lamborghini's trunk as well

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Absolutely!

Pretty expensive grocery getter I guess eh?

It's a high-performance racecar scaled down for street use as is the Camaro SS+, ZL1, GT500, Boss 302, Challenger, et al. Nobody needs 400+hp. to visit their local Loblaws or Provigo. But, if that what you wanna' do with it that's up to you.

Originally Posted by Brent Hinds

Sorry. Nuremburger, Nurembergring. Same difference. I'll never go there.

Messing with you bro'. Just emphasizing my point not meant to insult.

[radz28]

Did someone say burgers?

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by radz28

Did someone say burgers?

I want one of those double Nurum Burgers from GM. Perhaps, with a side of coleslaw, and a poutine to boot, washed down with some Pruit'ofia'.

Dudes' never gonna' get off on that one.

Just hope this doesn't happen. Too embarrassing......

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/16/...-attack-grill/

[radz28]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I want one of those Nurum Burgers from GM.

+2!

See - we agree on something!!!

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by radz28

+2!

See - we agree on something!!!

Cheers bro'. I made a few funnier updates.