Rude Awakening : Lesson Learned - Drive Safe

[z28racer]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

You two are incredible....

...Do you read your posts before hitting "submit"? Honest curiosity...He's saying traction control helps....HELPS!

If the driver decides to act like an idiot on the road - the car could literally be on rails, and it still might tip over and slide across the intersection. Traction and Stability control serve to protect a driver & car under emergency circumstances...they weren't designed to supplement stupid. So you're not telling anything "new". You are, however, not discussing the point at hand - which is the nannies' ability to regain control under normal operating conditions. Normal being a lack of the afore-mentioned stupid.

That said -- perhaps you can out-drive the Stability and Traction control systems. Great! It doesn't mean they still don't serve a vital purpose that critical 1% of the time, for 99% of people. I can't count how many people on here have publically thanks GM and Stabilitrack for saving their lives....

Please drop this before it gets the thread closed...you're beginning to talk in circles which comes terribly close to trolling...

According to him it will save the day. You need to read the whole thread!!!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by z28racer

According to him it will save the day. You need to read the whole thread!!!!

In most circumstances it will! Not in all, however - these are called "outliers" when the situation is extreme, and the OPs incident is a perfect example.

I've read enough to raise my eyebrows....that is why I posted. Please cool it (not just you).

[Dragnya]

And for the guys that share my annoyance at the mandatory Big brother driver, with a couple timed relays and a little wire and about twenty minutes of my time my nannies turn off automaticly every time I start my car, excactly the way It should be. if I feel I want to use the nannies then I just reach over and tap the nanny button and there on if I want them. I'm a busy guy and I don't have time or patience to hold the damn button down for 6 or 7 seconds every time i start my car too have full control of my car.

[z28racer]

Dont comment unless you read the whole story!! Thats like making judgement with only hearing one side!! What most people do!

Originally Posted by Dragnya

And for the guys that share my annoyance at the mandatory Big brother driver, with a couple timed relays and a little wire and about twenty minutes of my time my nannies turn off automaticly every time I start my car, excactly the way It should be. if I feel I want to use the nannies then I just reach over and tap the nanny button and there on if I want them. I'm a busy guy and I don't have time or patience to hold the damn button down for 6 or 7 seconds every time i start my car too have full control of my car.

How do you fix the Nanny button?? Please help. I'm also anoyed at having to push it everytime I get in.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by z28racer

Dont comment unless you read the whole story!! Thats like making judgement with only hearing one side!! What most people do!

Ya huh...after 5 years around here I've caught onto that little trick...

In your month and 21 posts (I promise I'm not belittling you here), have you realized you don't get a monopoly on a conversation just because YOU think you're right?

Originally Posted by Dragnya

And for the guys that share my annoyance at the mandatory Big brother driver, with a couple timed relays and a little wire and about twenty minutes of my time my nannies turn off automaticly every time I start my car, excactly the way It should be. if I feel I want to use the nannies then I just reach over and tap the nanny button and there on if I want them. I'm a busy guy and I don't have time or patience to hold the damn button down for 6 or 7 seconds every time i start my car too have full control of my car.

Yes...I hear six or seven seconds can make or break that first stop sign...

...of course, does this take into account the fact that TC/ST doesn't do a thing unless the car gets into trouble? Or that you can hold that seven seconds in between your driveway, and ohhh...maybe about 500ft down the road? Nooooo...

I'm sorry - please forgive my sarcasm....but I've always felt this is like arguing the faucet should always be running so you don't have to waste time turning the handle to wash your hands....

[z28racer]

Dude! For one I Have thick skinn Remeber sticks and stones. So Chill. You stuck your nose into A+B conversation now C your way out of it .LOL

[RX SS RACERX]

Excuse me...but building, or even buying and driving a 100hp, 580hp, or 1000hp car has NO correlation with the driver using the good sense to drive safe. Nor does your message account for an individuals' lack of skill & corresponding lack of humility to realize it.
Agree to disagree. These cars IMHO are created to be marketing/must have wonders. It's called doing your job WELL. Unfortunately HUMAN NATURE does NOT factor in 'good sense' or safe driving or good driving skills. If they did perhaps GM/Ford would require a safedriving course before purchase as is done in many states before you can purchase ATV(4X4)? No I do not want this-we have enough Big Brother. I guess where I'm going with this is-GM,you are producing a stout car-not unlike a drug with known side effects. Be prepared to deal with them-on both sides. Mfg and consumer.

[Dragnya]

Really ! ! Close the thread because your frustrated that facts are causing problems with your statements !! . I love this forum a lot , but every once in a while I think the damn thing is ran by the government or something ! I mean dang ! Now we're talking the 1% and 99% argument, come on I hope we're all adults on here. I don't Need to told to be carefully cause some people just aren't qualified too drive a car this nature. And your wrong about saying Fbod was talking about TC, he said I said a false statement in saying the OP even with the nannies on which I proved was tru based on his pics. He could have hit that turn at 60 or and been in neutral and still couldn't have made that turn in the rain ! That was my point !

Z28 I'll PM you the pics and the details of how too do it but don't get mad at me and sue me if you spin out and hit a tree or something !

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by z28racer

Dude! For one I Have thick skinn Remeber sticks and stones. So Chill. You stuck your nose into A+B conversation now C your way out of it .LOL

Oh...DO elaborate....I look forward to your reply.

Originally Posted by RX SS RACERX

Agree to disagree. These cars IMHO are created to be marketing/must have wonders. It's called doing your job WELL. Unfortunately HUMAN NATURE does NOT factor in 'good sense' or safe driving or good driving skills. If they did perhaps GM/Ford would require a safedriving course before purchase as is done in many states before you can purchase ATV(4X4)? No I do not want this-we have enough Big Brother. I guess where I'm going with this is-GM,you are producing a stout car-not unlike a drug with known side effects. Be prepared to deal with them-on both sides. Mfg and consumer.

I would agree with this point - it seems to be in line with what I said that you quoted: Performance cars can be purchased by anyone -- and mistakes happen; whether due to recklessness, pure misfortune, or lack of ability. I'll take that a step further and say that even with driving courses, mistakes will continue to happen.

I responded to you because I don't believe this is a reality that can be held against the company, as I interpreted your message as saying.

Originally Posted by Dragnya

Really ! ! Close the thread because your frustrated that facts are causing problems with your statements !! . I love this forum a lot , but every once in a while I think the damn thing is ran by the government or something ! I mean dang ! Now we're talking the 1% and 99% argument, come on I hope we're all adults on here. I don't Need to told to be carefully cause some people just aren't qualified too drive a car this nature. And your wrong about saying Fbod was talking about TC, he said I said a false statement in saying the OP even with the nannies on which I proved was tru based on his pics. He could have hit that turn at 60 or and been in neutral and still couldn't have made that turn in the rain ! That was my point !

I'm not frustrated...where did I say that? For the record...until you collect data and analyze it, please don't confuse most of this conversation with "facts".

I think you needed to be reminded that this IS just the internet...and some of us are getting incredibly defensive...Oh - and I'm not the government, but we do like to keep our forums clean of nonsensical bickering.

I don't see anyplace in this thread where fbodfather said that the OP could have made his turn with TC on. As far as I can tell; is commenting to ensure that readers of this discussion don't leave with the dangerous misperception that the Traction Control systems are useless - and are best left off for daily driving. A sentiment I tend to agree with...

Your point, mentioned above, and his point earlier that accidents do happen no matter what - are in agreement with each other. So what are we arguing about?

[z28racer]

LOL.Cool. Thank you so much. Do I have to sign a waivor, like GM did saying I will not ever turn off my stabilitrack or traction control or they will not sellme the car???? LOL

[z28racer]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Oh...DO elaborate....I look forward to your reply.


I would agree with this point - it seems to be in line with what I said that you quoted: Performance cars can be purchased by anyone -- and mistakes happen; whether due to recklessness, pure misfortune, or lack of ability. I'll take that a step further and say that even with driving courses, mistakes will continue to happen.

I responded to you because I don't believe this is a reality that can be held against the company, as I interpreted your message as saying.



I'm not frustrated...where did I say that? For the record...until you collect data and analyze it, please don't confuse most of this conversation with "facts".

I think you needed to be reminded that this IS just the internet...and some of us are getting incredibly defensive...Oh - and I'm not the government, but we do like to keep our forums clean of nonsensical bickering.

I don't see anyplace in this thread where fbodfather said that the OP could have made his turn with TC on. As far as I can tell; is commenting to ensure that readers of this discussion don't leave with the dangerous misperception that the Traction Control systems are useless - and are best left off for daily driving. A sentiment I tend to agree with...

Your point, mentioned above, and his point earlier that accidents do happen no matter what - are in agreement with each other. So what are we arguing about?

Check this out. Put a loaded gun to your head with it being ****ed and the safety on and your finger of the trigger. Are you going to trust your finger that you control or the safety on the Gun???? lets see if you get the analigy??

[z28racer]

Originally Posted by RX SS RACERX

What he/she said. It's late,Good Night

good night

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by z28racer

Check this out. Put a loaded gun to your head with it being ****ed and the safety on and your finger of the trigger. Are you going to trust your finger that you control or the safety on the Gun???? lets see if you get the analigy??

I get the analogy perfectly.

However, you're skipping the part where I would never put a loaded gun to my head, safety on or not - because that's stupid. Just like driving recklessly on public roads is stupid, and there's no guarantee that TC/SC (as good as it is) can compensate for intentional disregard for safety.

So let's come full circle...If you drive poorly in any car (let along one with +400 hp), no amount of TC/SC can save your behind - agreed. On the other side of the coin...if the situation is common, TC/SC can't save you if it's OFF. That is the missing link that fbodfather wanted to bring to light...

Yet, if you just drive with your head in the first place -- you stand a much better chance of avoiding an accident!

So...again - what you arguing for? We seem to agree!

By the way - OP, I'm not referring to you in any of the above.

[IowaGuy]

Originally Posted by z28racer

Sounds to me like you boy's dont know how to drive. If you cant handle your car without the traction control on you might want to consider getting a different car or getting driving lessons. I also think that ABS should be able to be shut off by the driver. To many people buy cars that are way over there driving ability. Think you might be one!

Really?

Why the need to insult those of us who use traction control. You can argue points without personal attacks on respected chevy reps, respected moderators, and fellow camaro5 posters.