another V8 owner damages ride.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by stieger

question. Do you look both ways before you cross the street or do you just walk out into the road? TC is a safety precaution that prevents most accidents. Just like looking both ways before crossing the street is a safety precaution to getting nailed by a semi

I understand that, my point is (and ill use your analogy) even if you look both ways there is still a change a piano could fall from the sky and kill you. Some of these guys act like with TC on they'll never get in an accident.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by Dragnya

Uh ! No ! You can thank the tree huggers & the Feds for killing the muscle car era back in the day. It just took a while for technology to help us get it back. But I can promise you they will shut it down again if we let them.

exactly!

[mikeyroche]

Originally Posted by Fiveg56

Please elaborate.

Driving aggressively or beyond your limits isn't safe regardless of what aids you do or do not have. Just seems that if your driving that hard on normal streets you could get into an accident with them on pretty easy to. Maybe I'm wrong, I just feel these people are driving passed there limit, because the machines work, and very well at that

[90503]

Originally Posted by jd10013

it's one of the biggest reasons why the muscle car era lasted only 15 years.
people were killing themselves left and right and insurance rates went through the roof.

Originally Posted by Dragnya

Uh ! No ! You can thank the tree huggers & the Feds for killing the muscle car era back in the day. It just took a while for technology to help us get it back. But I can promise you they will shut it down again if we let them.

Please don't compare this to the old "muscle car era"...The driver was probably looking to see how much oil life was left, fumbling with some sort of "nav" system gadget because he didn't know where he was going, goosing the throttle to try and determine which octane setting he had, or pissed off because he couldn't adjust his seat without a remote/memory/multi-driver setting button to push, or text messaging someone among other possibilities! Obviously, he was not an old school muscle-car guy, nor did he consider his car to be one, either....lol

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by 90503

Please don't compare this to the old "muscle car era"...The driver was probably looking to see how much oil life was left, fumbling with some sort of "nav" system gadget because he didn't know where he was going, goosing the throttle to try and determine which octane setting he had, or pissed off because he couldn't adjust his seat without a remote/memory/multi-driver setting button to push, or text messaging someone among other possibilities! Obviously, he was not an old school muscle-car guy, nor did he consider his car to be one, either....lol

Just sent... don't want to offend anyone.

[Benzs430]

Originally Posted by jd10013

it's one of the biggest reasons why the muscle car era lasted only 15 years.
people were killing themselves left and right and insurance rates went through the roof.

More like gas prices, which caused the cars in the 80's and late 70's. Insurance wasn't anything like it is today.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

It's really funny to me how much you guys trust TC. What did all you old farts do before cars had traction control?? TC on or off I can still obliterate the tires if I want to. Mine is on most of the time but either way accidents can still happen. You guys act the TC is a invisible force field or something.

well...........sonny......(said the 'old fart').........a whole bunch of cars and trucks were wrecked beyond recognition and lots of people were killed prior to traction control.....or worse, they were maimed and in some cases, (Like a relative thru marriage - became a vegetable for 19 years before she died......)AND....it became almost impossible for young men to insure muscle cars by 1970-71......(cost prohibitive)

So! Shall we continue to wreck camaros a six-pack at a time to the point where the same thing happens again?



The question isn't whether you can obliterate the tires - the question is "will it save you or innocent bystanders when you turn the Stabilitrak off and the unexpected happens?"

And...I'd be delighted to take you thru a simulation that will pretty much make it feel like there's an invisible force field at work. Because, you see - in some ways, there IS an invisible force field at work!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

well...........sonny......(said the 'old fart').........a whole bunch of cars and trucks were wrecked beyond recognition and lots of people were killed prior to traction control.....or worse, they were maimed and in some cases, (Like a relative thru marriage - became a vegetable for 19 years before she died......)AND....it became almost impossible for young men to insure muscle cars by 1970-71......(cost prohibitive)

So! Shall we continue to wreck camaros a six-pack at a time to the point where the same thing happens again?



The question isn't whether you can obliterate the tires - the question is "will it save you or innocent bystanders when you turn the Stabilitrak off and the unexpected happens?"

And...I'd be delighted to take you thru a simulation that will pretty much make it feel like there's an invisible force field at work. Because, you see - in some ways, there IS an invisible force field at work!

I can attest!!

[J666]

See a "youngster" on the sidewalk with his Camaro SS damaged, and automatically assume he was being a dumbass. Sounds reasonable.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

well...........sonny......(said the 'old fart').........a whole bunch of cars and trucks were wrecked beyond recognition and lots of people were killed prior to traction control.....or worse, they were maimed and in some cases, (Like a relative thru marriage - became a vegetable for 19 years before she died......)AND....it became almost impossible for young men to insure muscle cars by 1970-71......(cost prohibitive)

So! Shall we continue to wreck camaros a six-pack at a time to the point where the same thing happens again?



The question isn't whether you can obliterate the tires - the question is "will it save you or innocent bystanders when you turn the Stabilitrak off and the unexpected happens?"

And...I'd be delighted to take you thru a simulation that will pretty much make it feel like there's an invisible force field at work. Because, you see - in some ways, there IS an invisible force field at work!

Do you think insurance companies charge men under 25 more than everyone else? I do EMS/firefighting and on accidents we have to report our guess as to the cause. Most of the time we write AMIS. AMIS stands for Adolescent Male Immortality Syndrome. Before anyone knocks me for driving with TC, tell me that AMIS doesn't exist and you never did something stupid when you were young.

[Dragnya]

Originally Posted by 90503

Please don't compare this to the old "muscle car era"...The driver was probably looking to see how much oil life was left, fumbling with some sort of "nav" system gadget because he didn't know where he was going, goosing the throttle to try and determine which octane setting he had, or pissed off because he couldn't adjust his seat without a remote/memory/multi-driver setting button to push, or text messaging someone among other possibilities! Obviously, he was not an old school muscle-car guy, nor did he consider his car to be one, either....lol

Ageed ! When I drive I have no radio on no cell phones going No nav shi*, nothing but listening to the beautiful sound of the motor and making sure it sounds right and feeling the road ! Probably why I can drive a car without spinning out of control without needing the help of a computer backing out the throttle . On another note, this dang debate pops up on here all the time and drives me nuts ! I don't appreciate all the daisy's on here saying I'm an idiot or stupid for driving my car without TC on, I'm not an idiot or stupid because I can drive a car with high HP with my own foot. Those of you that need TC to drive your car more power to you I've got nothing negative to say about you. Just say you prefer TC don't say I'm an idiot causes don't need it. It would be like me saying your an idiot because you can't build your own motor, I would be wrong to say that . It might just not be a skill you posses. Short version , if you need need TC use it by all means, but don't tell me I have to cause you do to feel safe. If I go to the track and turn quicker times than with the nannies on over and over then I win, I'm better than the nannies period. No stats can dispute that.

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by Dragnya

I agree !! I wish there was a button that would just turn off a couple of cylinders and drop the HP about 200 for street driving !! That would make me feel much more safe !!

There is, its called the 2012 Chevy Cruze!!! LOL I have one in the garage and it works great for just the situation you discribe!!! Plus 37 mpg is not to bad either!!! I guarantee I will not break the front end loose on the Cruze, not even on icy roads, and it will still do 85 mph into a 60 mph headwind(did it just today!!!)

Sad about the camaro wreck though, hope everyone is alright and nothing hurt but ego.

[Dragnya]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

There is, its called the 2012 Chevy Cruze!!! LOL I have one in the garage and it works great for just the situation you discribe!!! Plus 37 mpg is not to bad either!!! I guarantee I will not break the front end loose on the Cruze, not even on icy roads, and it will still do 85 mph into a 60 mph headwind(did it just today!!!)

Sad about the camaro wreck though, hope everyone is alright and nothing hurt but ego.

For the record, I wasn't being serious ! Lol

[insomniac2k2]

I never nail it going onto an on ramp, or when some ninny is on the freeway going 50mph. Just too damn irresponsible. The only reason why I bought my SS camaro was because they didn't have the Prius in the color that I liked, and the BUG no longer has a flower holder.

I couldn't even imagine doing all those terrible things in my youth either. I have no idea why my tires on my 67 were always so bald...