So what do I have to do to beat a 5.0

[Seer]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

My point is that the 3.66 1st gear coupled with the final drive ratio of your choice IS the torque multiplier, and helps the car accelerate without having a bigger torque number. Launching the car at 5000 rpm is not making up for a lacking in the torque number....the 3.66 gear is. If the car didn't have such a steep 1st gear ratio coupled with a 3.31-3.73, you'd be looking at engine torque to accelerate the car.

My point of contention is the original comment that "If you're launching over 5000rpm, who cares about low end in a drag race" is not a true statement.

and if you go up a few posts you see, I even point out that one of the biggest strengths the coyote has, is its gearing.

[NoWRX]

Originally Posted by Thunderdome

Haha buddy well compared to my best friend with the cali. Special...i CAN sleep better at night. It happened to him so i know from first hand experience that the issues are true

The issues may just be random occurences but i personally have yet to see anything similar on the 5th gens, and that it happened to a friend I KNOW and to others HE KNOWS, along with other issues that have been discussed on the internet, i just wanted to give my opinion. Aren't we all entitled to one?

So your (1) buddy had a problem with his car and you're extrapolating that to ALL Mustangs being piles of crap?

Brilliant logic there, chief. I don't think anything more needs to be said.

Challenger, Mustang, Camaro - they're all typical domestic cars. I don't think you're going to find any one being significantly more reliable than the others.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by Seer

and if you go up a few posts you see, I even point out that one of the biggest strengths the coyote has, is its gearing.

No problem. The transmission gearing is really short in the 5.0 Mustangs which really helps to get them off the line and stay in the meat of the power band. It really came as a suprise to me when I took a friends stock 5.0 down the track how quickly I had to bang thru the gears.

But, you do understand what I was saying about the 5000 rpm launch, right ?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

It matters is you don't have a 3.66 1st gear ratio coupled with any of your final drive ratios. If you launched at 5000 rpm and the motor was drug down to 2500 rpm upon clutch lockup, you'd care a lot about low end torque. Try launching in 2nd gear next time and tell me what you see on your 60' and engine rpm's

Wow. Just wow.

The coyote is a high-spinning 4v that takes advantage of shorter gearing. It's a different approach to the same end. Why anyone would care how a stock or bolt on car launches in 2nd gear is beyond me.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Wow. Just wow.

and ? Are you also of the opinion that a 5000 rpm launch means more in a drag race ?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

and ? Are you also of the opinion that a 5000 rpm launch means more in a drag race ?

More than a 2nd gear launch? Is anyone not of that opinion?

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

More than a 2nd gear launch? Is anyone not of that opinion?

You completely mis-understood the comment. The point is that the 3.66 1st gear ratio is what makes up for an engine that has lesser torque.
2nd gear in the Mustang is my 1st gear ratio in my car. The 5000 rpm launch is not what is making up for the lower torque numbers....the extremely short 3.66 1st gear is.

Make sense ?

[Seer]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

No problem. The transmission gearing is really short in the 5.0 Mustangs which really helps to get them off the line and stay in the meat of the power band. It really came as a suprise to me when I took a friends stock 5.0 down the track how quickly I had to bang thru the gears.

But, you do understand what I was saying about the 5000 rpm launch, right ?

I do understand you, but where I am getting at is, it is moot, as the car launches high and remains in its power band.

If it launched low, it would still rocket into its band due to the gearing.

Now I've watched a few guys run stock final drive gearing and replace their MT82's with TR6060's and lose a few tenths though. So We're on the same page.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

You completely mis-understood the comment. The point is that the 3.66 1st gear ratio is what makes up for an engine that has lesser torque.
2nd gear in the Mustang is my 1st gear ratio in my car. The 5000 rpm launch is not what is making up for the lower torque numbers....the extremely short 3.66 1st gear is.

Make sense ?

Of course, but again the gearing is matched to the powerband. The fact that the car would be slower with a taller first gear applies in nearly every situation where traction isn't the limiting factor or the car isn't over-geared.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by Seer

I do understand you, but where I am getting at is, it is moot, as the car launches high and remains in its power band.

If it launched low, it would still rocket into its band due to the gearing.

Now I've watched a few guys run stock final drive gearing and replace their MT82's with TR6060's and lose a few tenths though. So We're on the same page.

No doubt they would lose a few tenths going to a 6060. For as long as I've been racing cars, I can't think of another domestic V8 powered car that had such short factory gearing as what the new Mustang's have.....these car's bang thru the gears like a liter bike. IIRC, I was well into 4th gear in my friends 5.0 before I even reached the 1/8 mile....crazy

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

No doubt they would lose a few tenths going to a 6060. For as long as I've been racing cars, I can't think of another domestic V8 powered car that had such short factory gearing as what the new Mustang's have.....these car's bang thru the gears like a liter bike. IIRC, I was well into 4th gear in my friends 5.0 before I even reached the 1/8 mile....crazy

Must be a deep 10 sec car or you were short-shifting. . . Or like a 15" wheel and 4.30s lol

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Of course, but again the gearing is matched to the powerband. The fact that the car would be slower with a taller first gear applies in nearly every situation where traction isn't the limiting factor or the car isn't over-geared.

So, it looks like you may be agreeing with my original statement.......

"My point of contention is the original comment that "If you're launching over 5000rpm, who cares about low end in a drag race" is not a true statement."

Low end torque, however it's derived at the rear wheels, is the driving force of accelerating the car from a dead stop. You most certainly care about low end at a drag race.....agreed ?

The 5.0 Mustangs extremely short transmission gearing is what is importent here....not the 5000 rpm launch...when talking about a 1/4 mile drag race.

[Seer]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

No doubt they would lose a few tenths going to a 6060. For as long as I've been racing cars, I can't think of another domestic V8 powered car that had such short factory gearing as what the new Mustang's have.....these car's bang thru the gears like a liter bike. IIRC, I was well into 4th gear in my friends 5.0 before I even reached the 1/8 mile....crazy

Can't say this was the case for me, I was shifting into 4th after the 1/8, but I was also running 28" tires shifting the car at about 7300-7500 rpm.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Must be a deep 10 sec car or you were short-shifting. . . Or like a 15" wheel and 4.30s lol

? Stock 5.0 Mustang with and exhaust and CAI MN6 and track prep , not sure of the final drive. I ran a 12.86 (IIRC).
By comparision, I shift my car into 3rd right near the 1/8 mark with the following gear ratio's...

First gear 2.66
Second gear 1.78
Third gear 1.30
Fourth gear1.00
Fifth gear0.74
Sixth gear0.50

Final drive ratio3.42