2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Shelby GT500-On Track - Page 5 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

adamgl · 06-19-2012, 01:42 PM

I wonder too, how much slower would the base version run.

doc7000 · 06-19-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I have a hard time believing it.

That just adds to the legend that is ZL1 Camaro.....

SlingShot · 06-19-2012, 01:44 PM

IMO this review didn't and won't change anyone's mind about their preferred car. I also think age has a lot to due with perception of which would be the better car. To me the older a person gets, the more a balance in life is appreciated. I grew up going fast in a straight line and enjoyed it very much so when I was younger, now not as much. I like the comforts and balance when it comes to driving.

It kinda reminds me of the story of the young bull and old bull.

Young bull says to old bull, "how bout we run down this hill and shag us one of them heifers"

Old bull says to young bull, "how bout we walk down this hill and shag all them heifers"

Age does make a difference, on how you see things ...

Betiwin · 06-19-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I have a hard time believing it.

What if the ZL1 was faster around alot of tracks the Ford Gt was? Then would you believe it? As it seems the Z and the Gt500 were almost identical around a 2 and 1/4 mile track. The ford GT is a decade ago and down 100 HP on old tire and no MRS or electronic shocks. I would imagine the Z may be faster than fords old super car, as that would make the 500 faster than it as well.

2cnd chance · 06-19-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Betiwin

Do you think this "feel of the car" will translate into your daily or most likely for most "weekend drving" of your car. Do you auto X or track your car often. I ask in all honest your point of view? Most people I believe will floor it on a sweeping on ramp on there local expressway going from 2nd to 5th pulling G's as they sweep onto the freeway from 40-140 and then shut it down.

Now if you auto X I totally believe this "feel" will be evident, but from how you drive your car do you think you will feel it? (Not Sarcasm here, but honest question)

Absoloutely!

I've know exactly what "feel" the driver/writer is describing. Where I live there are very few straight roads and they are perfect for what this car does. 1/4 mile just doesn't do it for me, yet I'm happy to get on it when I feel the need to.

hognutz · 06-19-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Betiwin

Warranty is gone at this point from the pulley and tune. Warranty on a 15K motor is important to some. 58,000 ZL1 as test 3K in mods plus 6-8K in motor repair would add up. I have tried to keep an eye on LSA failures but if you are auto crossing your car the CTS-V is not a grat place to find your data. the moded ones seem to be made for quick runs down the 1/4. The LSA at 14lbs for 30mins at a time is a whole different story then a that same motor for 11 seconds and change. That powered rod would scare the hell out of me at that point for laps at a time with that 1.9L blast furnace on top.

I dont track my car tho so this wouldnt be a concearn for me but those that do and talk about the prowes of the Z, and adding a pulley, tune, heat exchanger, but loss of warannty this would and becomes huge.

oddly enough though all you need is DR to run 11's and those don't void waranty.

Good2go · 06-19-2012, 01:49 PM

I find it interesting that the ZL1 had shifter issues in this test, while Insideline had problems with the Shelby's shifter in their test.

doc7000 · 06-19-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Betiwin

What if the ZL1 was faster around alot of tracks the Ford Gt was? Then would you believe it? As it seems the Z and the Gt500 were almost identical around a 2 and 1/4 mile track. The ford GT is a decade ago and down 100 HP on old tire and no MRS or electronic shocks. I would imagine the Z may be faster than fords old super car, as that would make the 500 faster than it as well.

I think they are going based on the fact that the Ford GT was 3,500 pounds compared to the 3,850 pound GT500 and 4,100 pound ZL1 Camaro. Also the 550BHP rating of the Ford GT was an under rating as it produced 600-625BHP in reality (at least that is what some believe). Also it has a newer chassis then that of the Shelby GT500 as the Mustang chassis is an evolution of a older chassis. Then they are pointing out that the Ford GT is mid engine so no way can either of these cars out handle it.

In reality the ZL1 Camaro just might out handle the Ford GT, though probably not the GT500.

DanSS24 · 06-19-2012, 01:50 PM

There's too much if this, if that, etc. The tests and comparisons has just begun, and not everyone will be happy, even from those who are Chevy loyalists. Come to think of it, we haven't heard for any Ford folks yet.

Oopps...hope I didn't start something...sorry.

2cnd chance · 06-19-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

IMO this review didn't and won't change anyone's mind about their preferred car. I also think age has a lot to due with perception of which would be the better car. To me the older a person gets, the more a balance in life is appreciated. I grew up going fast in a straight line and enjoyed it very much so when I was younger, now not as much. I like the comforts and balance when it comes to driving.

It kinda reminds me of the story of the young bull and old bull.

Young bull says to old bull, "how bout we run down this hill and shag us one of them heifers"

Old bull says to young bull, "how bout we walk down this hill and shag all them heifers"

Age does make a difference, on how you see things ...

I think this often when I read post.

2cnd chance · 06-19-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Betiwin

What if the ZL1 was faster around alot of tracks the Ford Gt was? Then would you believe it? As it seems the Z and the Gt500 were almost identical around a 2 and 1/4 mile track. The ford GT is a decade ago and down 100 HP on old tire and no MRS or electronic shocks. I would imagine the Z may be faster than fords old super car, as that would make the 500 faster than it as well.

The Ford GT(40) is my all time favorite car.

69NMYSS · 06-19-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Betiwin

Congrats to the camaro team on the handling victory. Annihilation I'm not so sure about lol. A victory tho no less.

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Originally Posted by Slowmaro19

Agreed. I wouldn't consider 0.7 seconds annihilation...

"The time was in: 1:44.53. A significant seven-tenths of a second faster than the GT500. And I estimate the missed shifts cost upwards of half a second per lap"

Annihilation!!! and Humiliation for the GT500 with an 80hp advantage, 250lb weight advantage and over $5k higher price tag. I know it hurts, but if you use a little KY lube, it will help.

Betiwin · 06-19-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

oddly enough though all you need is DR to run 11's and those don't void waranty.

Ahh yes this is very true!

doc7000 · 06-19-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adamgl

Ya, but almost anyone would prefer one or the other after testing them both. He just told the truth.

If you're on a drag strip or huge drag racing fan you'd probably prefer the GT500.

Its not a biased statement if you read it in context, after reading the review I think that comment has been blown up a bit.

He stated that after driving both cars around the track and was expecting the ZL1 Camaro to post a slower lap time due to missing a shift every lap. He wanted it to win because handling wise these two cars he felt were not in the same segment. Which is what brought him to the conclusion of "From an on-track perspective there is no contest". Pretty much stating the same conclusion that Edmund's Inside Line came to in its outing with both cars.

Also for those questioning, I can see a miss shift costing .5 seconds on a lap as it interrupts your acceleration.

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06-19-2012, 01:44 PM	#59
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	IMO this review didn't and won't change anyone's mind about their preferred car. I also think age has a lot to due with perception of which would be the better car. To me the older a person gets, the more a balance in life is appreciated. I grew up going fast in a straight line and enjoyed it very much so when I was younger, now not as much. I like the comforts and balance when it comes to driving. It kinda reminds me of the story of the young bull and old bull. Young bull says to old bull, "how bout we run down this hill and shag us one of them heifers" Old bull says to young bull, "how bout we walk down this hill and shag all them heifers" Age does make a difference, on how you see things ... __________________

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Good2go Team Chevrolet Drives: 2007 Z06 and 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio Posts: 441 View My Garage	I find it interesting that the ZL1 had shifter issues in this test, while Insideline had problems with the Shelby's shifter in their test. __________________ Forgeline GA3's 9.5/11 with NT-05 Nitto's, Pedders Sportsryder Supercar Coilovers, MGW Shifter, LPE GT1-1 Cam, AR 1 7/8" LT's, Halltech CAI, SW Retro Chambered Cat-Back, Installed and tuned by Corey @ Henderson Performance Technology.

06-19-2012, 01:50 PM	#65
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	There's too much if this, if that, etc. The tests and comparisons has just begun, and not everyone will be happy, even from those who are Chevy loyalists. Come to think of it, we haven't heard for any Ford folks yet. Oopps...hope I didn't start something...sorry. __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.