Was told by a guy I would consider a Camaro expert to keep traction cntr turned off.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

You raise a good point!! They could go as far as saying you were negligent actually. Didn't think of this in this kind of situation!

No they can't, TC is not a legal safety requirement on a car.

[Rhyder]

Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

It's a feel. Something I got used to driving my old sports cars and modded trucks. Being able to slide the ass out of corners, light up the tires if I want to, and being able to downshift into corners without the TC automatically revmatching thus negating the whole purpose of downshifting.

As I always mention though, my SS is a toy. If I'm going to groceries or taking granny to a bridge game I'll drive the SHO or the S60R. If I'm working I'm in the F250. When I'm in the SS, I'm out for a good time.

ok that makes sense, might drive a bit with it off to see, dont know that I drive crazy though so prolly not going to notice, but thats clearer to me

[TwistedEnergy]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Don't know if you have kept up with this forum tons, but from what I have seen in my 6 months here or so is that when TC comes off, people end up in ditches, in poles, on sideways or curbs. I say keep it on and tell this guy he is no expert...

[upflying]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

No they can't, TC is not a legal safety requirement on a car.

In the twisted litigation world of personal injury attorneys, anything is possible.

[caliguy]

It's true, i notice when TC is on and going down ( say small incline ) a hill foot off throttle i feel like its down shifting to a lower gear when infact its the TC kicking in to help slow it down.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by upflying

In the twisted litigation world of personal injury attorneys, anything is possible.

It is true. I have done some work in this area and you wouldn't believe the things that people could twist or make possible!

[OHIOSS]

So you guys that said my tuner was full of it appear to be wrong. The tuner in fact is very well known and works for RDP Performance. There have been several articles written about his talents, he's the real deal.

Once when I had the TC shut off I turned a corner when it was raining and sure enough the ass end came around almost instantly and I spun out. A guard rail on the right and a ditch on the left, I did some fancy driving to avoid both of them. No harm except total embarrassment.

Russ

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by bluebox

Seems the tuner has a point, if you plant your foot in it often enough. But we didn't have to look this up to know how TC works, did we?

Someone needs to do their homework on their own car. Read how TC works on the Camaro and read the OP's post again.

TC does NOT work all the time applying brake pressure as this so called "expert" said. When TC is triggered, the computer first disengages the throttle, it then reduces the engines power and torque to regain traction. If traction is not gained within a certain time frame, THEN the computer applies light brake pressure until traction is gained.

Personally in all the times I've had TC come on, I've never drove in such a manner and pushed hard enough to be in a situation where brake pressure was needed to regain traction. The first two steps in the TC operation was more then sufficient to regain control of the car.

Now, if you was tracking the car I could buy it, not because of pad wear but because of brake fade due to the heat caused by the TC constantly applying the brakes. However, during DD, turning TC off to save the pads is an absurd notion. Even if you drive in such a manner where the TC must apply the brakes, the light pressure the TC applies will be nothing compared to the brake pressure that you will be applying when driving in such a way.

[SonomaJohn]

I hate to say that I tend to agree with Quick. I have what may be a related comment. I recently had GM buy back my 2011 2SS auto and replace it with a 2013 2SS stick. I cover the car at work each day and on my old one I would wipe the brake dust off of the rear fenders behind the rear wheels to keep it from getting on my cover. I notice that the new one has much less brake dust on the fender than the old one which was quite excessive. I thought that maybe they were using different brake pads. I am going to turn the traction control off for awhile and see if it makes a difference.

John

[SSBlack]

Originally Posted by upflying

One other issue to consider about TC.
The EDR or CDR knows whether TC was on or not if and when you have a collision.
The insurance adjuster/police can and will upload the CDR and it may effect your insurance claim and or/criminal charges such as negligence.

Don't forget that Big Brother device Progressive Insurance uses to monitor people's driving. Snapshot, or whatever.

Could it detect if nannies are off?

And, who in the hell with a Camaro would ever use it? So, nevermind.

[upflying]

Originally Posted by SSBlack

Don't forget that Big Brother device Progressive Insurance uses to monitor people's driving. Snapshot, or whatever.

Could it detect if nannies are off?

And, who in the hell with a Camaro would ever use it? So, nevermind.

Who needs Progressive Snap Shot when the black box in your Camaro stores this.

GM AIR BAG SDM / BLACK BOX / EDR / CRASH DATA AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD:

(depending on model year and SDM module configuration)


Vehicle speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Engine speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Brake status (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Throttle position (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Driver's seat belt state (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag enabled or disabled state (On/Off)
Airbag Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Maximum Delta-V ( DV ) for near-deployment event
Delta-V ( DV ) vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum Delta-V ( DV )
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within 5 seconds)

ADDITIONAL CRASH DATA AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD 2006 AND NEWER GM VEHICLES:

Low tire pressure warning system status
Traction control status
Anti lock brake status
Transmission range
Service engine lamp status
Vehicle door 2/4 status open/closed
Outside air temperature in degrees F
Passenger seat belt switch
Yaw rate
Lateral acceleration
Steering wheel angle
PDOF / Principal direction of force degrees
And more...

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by upflying

Who needs Progressive Snap Shot when the black box in your Camaro stores this.

GM AIR BAG SDM / BLACK BOX / EDR / CRASH DATA AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD:

(depending on model year and SDM module configuration)


Vehicle speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Engine speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Brake status (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Throttle position (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Driver's seat belt state (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag enabled or disabled state (On/Off)
Airbag Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Maximum Delta-V ( DV ) for near-deployment event
Delta-V ( DV ) vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum Delta-V ( DV )
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within 5 seconds)

ADDITIONAL CRASH DATA AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD 2006 AND NEWER GM VEHICLES:

Low tire pressure warning system status
Traction control status
Anti lock brake status
Transmission range
Service engine lamp status
Vehicle door 2/4 status open/closed
Outside air temperature in degrees F
Passenger seat belt switch
Yaw rate
Lateral acceleration
Steering wheel angle
PDOF / Principal direction of force degrees
And more...

Yup...basically all of this can be downloaded and used against you when in a accident. Clever lawyers will be able to argue the smallest of things and turn them into mountains....

[SSBlack]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Yup...basically all of this can be downloaded and used against you when in a accident. Clever lawyers will be able to argue the smallest of things and turn them into mountains....

Are there any known court cases where this data was used against someone? Or even helped someone?

[Cam2011]

Some people say the darndest things.