I think I'm blind...

[Kyle2k]

Sorry about that comment, I didn't mean like the whole south when I suggested the "north." Then again, Miami is a bit more diverse than Alabama too lol.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

DO NOT LET THIS THREAD GET OUT OF HAND OR IT WILL DISSAPPEAR FOREVER.

Anyone replying should know now to use extreme caution here.

This should answer your poll… If race was not an issue TAG would have never had to post this warning…

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Sorry about that comment, I didn't mean like the whole south when I suggested the "north." Then again, Miami is a bit more diverse than Alabama too lol.

It's funny...North Florida is the South US

Central Florida is a broad mix of mainland Americans

And South Florida is the north Caribbean

[GTAHVIT]

+1

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

This should answer your poll… If race was not an issue TAG would have never had to post this warning…

Ok, so what do you want me to do about that???? That was posted after the fact I created this thread.

[DGthe3]

no no no. What he means is that if everything were ok then Tag wouldn't need to warn us to keep things civil

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

no no no. What he means is that if everything were ok then Tag wouldn't need to warn us to keep things civil

I understand that. The point of this thread wasn't state the obvious but to start a dialog on an important and relevant issue. Funny thing is that comment from Killer was totally expected, I've seen and received nothing but similar comments from Killer in the past, the antagonism is blatantly obvious.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Don't get too worked up. I didn't detect any "antagonism". And I know Killer wouldn't intentionally start anything...just, relax a bit.

"Loosy-goosey baby, Loosey-goosey."

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Don't get too worked up. I didn't detect any "antagonism". And I know Killer wouldn't intentionally start anything...just, relax a bit.

"Loosy-goosey baby, Loosey-goosey."

I'm perfectly fine. Thanks.

[Silverado]

I was going to stay out of this entirely, but I want to throw one thing in here, and then, I won't be posting in this thread again.... (...this will get to be like the politics threads and I'm sure I've made a few "anti-Silverado" (me, not the truck) fans out there in those threads).

Sure race is still an issue here in the US. The entire world really. The real problems are ignorance and stubbornness. The ignorance is a problem because people assume that the one or two "bad apples" represent the entire race. The stubbornness is a problem for a couple reasons...people are too stubborn to try and change their minds about a person because they are from a certain race. Also, people are too stubborn to listen when someone tries to explain their point of view on something. They just say "he's white, he doesn't know what it's like to be black" or "she's black, she doesn't understand the Latino culture". Maybe he doesn't know what it's like to be black, but you don't know what it's like to be white or to be black, etc.

I think another big problem here in the US, specifically, is that racism seems to be defined as "discrimination or prejudice against African-Americans". That's wrong. Racism is "discrimination or prejudice against someone because of their race"...no matter the race. Racism against whites is real, but nobody really acknowledges it. Sure David Dukes was a racist against blacks. But, Jeremiah Wright is a racist against whites. Same thing.

I don't know if any of you saw it, but 60 Minutes did their interview with Morgan Freeman awhile back. They covered a lot of different things in his life and such...but one thing that stuck with me was when they asked him about racism and how do you fix it. I won't quote him exactly, but roughly, he said racism can only be fixed if we stop talking about it. If we stop calling ourselves black men and just call ourselves men. He goes on to say that he has told people he is not a black man, he is a man that just happens to be of African-American decent.

(The same is true for religion really....every notice how people say "look over there...there is a black man and a muslim"...really? Shouldn't that be "look over there, there are two men"? Period.)

Race is an issue. It's a big issue. It's a big issue because some people out there need it to be a big issue. Without it, they feel like they are losing their identity or their purpose in life, or something to that effect.

I'll tell you what needs to happen...we need to start treating it like the orchards treats their harvests....whether they are reds, greens, goldens, etc, treat everyone of them as equals until they show you that they are not, then toss out the bad apples and keep the good ones.

[Scotsman]

You have some good points Silverado, I'll break up the two that stood out most to me:

Originally Posted by Silverado

I don't know if any of you saw it, but 60 Minutes did their interview with Morgan Freeman awhile back. They covered a lot of different things in his life and such...but one thing that stuck with me was when they asked him about racism and how do you fix it. I won't quote him exactly, but roughly, he said racism can only be fixed if we stop talking about it. If we stop calling ourselves black men and just call ourselves men. He goes on to say that he has told people he is not a black man, he is a man that just happens to be of African-American decent.

Yes! I think by defining ourselves as one thing or another we separate ourselves from being human, as if we're something more than that and at the end of the day that's the farthest from the truth you could be.

I'll tell you what needs to happen...we need to start treating it like the orchards treats their harvests....whether they are reds, greens, goldens, etc, treat everyone of them as equals until they show you that they are not, then toss out the bad apples and keep the good ones.

Amen to that as well, but race is something so incredibly ingrained in our culture that it will be an exceptionally lengthy process to eradicate. Good news is we can educate one another, but people (here comes the stubbornness part) have to be willing to get over themselves and be willing and take the risk to get to know about someone else, another people, another culture. I saw an extremely attractive female I took a Chicano studies course with last year today and she happens to be Chicana and also a CS major. One of my classmates and I were talking as she walked by after class and I mentioned her to him and the class I took with her, and we both talked about how only in an institution of higher learning is one afforded the time and place where they can expand their cultural horizons and understanding by taking classes that afford the experience of learning about others outside of their culture/race that make up the world around them, but majoring in a study where you lean more about "you and yours" is counterproductive to that experience. To each his and her own.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

no no no. What he means is that if everything were ok then Tag wouldn't need to warn us to keep things civil

Right on the money...

[Camaro_Corvette]

i'm from indiana, there are not many race issues out here at all, probably because of the lack of diversity anyways...

[Urthman]

A person's race is unfortunately still something that is taken into account with everything they do. This can (and does) go in ALL directions. There is no race that (in general) does not have some sort of stereotype that is brought out every day. That being said I think that we have come a long way. I wish that it wasn't an issue, but sadly in some areas it is still a factor of everyday life for some.

I am caucasian. My sister was married to a Mexican-American and has three children that are "mixed". My cousin married an African-American and has three children that are "mixed". When you see a picture of our family you wonder why it is that it can't be like that everywhere. I really wish it was.