F-Body?

[SSRS1LE]

Here's a good read. The History of the 1967-2002 GM F-Body:

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/feature...002-gm-f-body/

"As we all now know, the Camaro did return for the 2010 model year, but was now built on the same Zeta architecture that was found under the Pontiac G8 sedan/Holden Commodore, thus, discrediting it as a true “F-body.”"

So you can call it a "Discredited Untrue F-Body". Anyone interested in jackets or stickers? :P

[LOWDOWN]

Since GM went to a 5-place alpha-numeric MODEL NUMBER system, EVERY Camaro and Firebird's second character in their MODEL NUMBER was an F. Every '10-'14 Gen-5 Camaro has an E in it's second MODEL NUMBER character.

But you can call yours whatever you want...

[RollaMo]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

You can ask the engineers, fbodfather, and Chevy and they will all tell you the same thing. The G8/Commodore/Chevy SS share the same platform and are not F-body cars.

Originally Posted by 102SS

When Scott S. was at our show last June I mentioned to him that its too bad they are not called FBodies anymore and he pointed to the VIN on his pre-production ZL1 Vert and said sure they are the 4th character is an F.

If the FBod Godfather says its an F car then it still is

So, which one of the above two statements are true?
fbodfather wouldn't have said it both ways.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by 102SS

When Scott S. was at our show last June I mentioned to him that its too badthey are not called FBodies anymore and he pointed to the VIN on his pre-production ZL1 Vert and said sure they are the 4th character is an F.

If the FBod Godfather says its an F car then it still is

this issue comes up with regularity.

Thru much of the 20th century, the various 'platforms' at GM were identified by Letters -- Impala, Catalina, LeSabre, 88 were "B" Bodies - Electra, DeVille, 98 were "C" Bodies........there were variations - for instance in the 70s - a Chevelle was an "A" Body - yet a Monte Carlo was an "A-Special" body......

Nova, Omega, Ventura, and Apollo were "X" Bodies (in the late 60s and early 70s ...by the way - did any of you ever notice what happens when you take the first letters of those four car lines and combine them.................................??)

(....things that make you go 'hmmmmmmm'........)

Camaro and Firebird were 'F' bodies.

When the U.S. Government passed the latest standardized VIN system (...started in 1980...) the 'body' was included in the VIN. (it had been before - but in numerals versus letters in the 60s and prior years...)

We have since gone to the greek alphabet......making things even more complicated - there are "GMX xxx" for cars and "GMT xxx" for trucks....the current Camaro is a GMX521 and GMX511...........

...........THAT SAID..............go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Since GM went to a 5-place alpha-numeric MODEL NUMBER system, EVERY Camaro and Firebird's second character in their MODEL NUMBER was an F. Every '10-'14 Gen-5 Camaro has an E in it's second MODEL NUMBER character.

But you can call yours whatever you want...

Long story about that..............


Look at the VIN.

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

[MYDLIFECRISIS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

this issue comes up with regularity.

Thru much of the 20th century, the various 'platforms' at GM were identified by Letters -- Impala, Catalina, LeSabre, 88 were "B" Bodies - Electra, DeVille, 98 were "C" Bodies........there were variations - for instance in the 70s - a Chevelle was an "A" Body - yet a Monte Carlo was an "A-Special" body......

Nova, Omega, Ventura, and Apollo were "X" Bodies (in the late 60s and early 70s ...by the way - did any of you ever notice what happens when you take the first letters of those four car lines and combine them.................................??)

(....things that make you go 'hmmmmmmm'........)

Camaro and Firebird were 'F' bodies.

When the U.S. Government passed the latest standardized VIN system (...started in 1980...) the 'body' was included in the VIN. (it had been before - but in numerals versus letters in the 60s and prior years...)

We have since gone to the greek alphabet......making things even more complicated - there are "GMX xxx" for cars and "GMT xxx" for trucks....the current Camaro is a GMX521 and GMX511...........

...........THAT SAID..............go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

So it IS an F-body??

[SSRS1LE]

Originally Posted by MYDLIFECRISIS

So it IS an F-body??

Depends if you're talking about nomenclature or architecture.

Dodge decided to call their modern V8 a Hemi, even though it doesn't have hemispherical heads.

Chevy decided to put an F in the Camaro VIN, even though it's built on a Zeta platform.

So yes, if the manufacturer decrees that's what they are, it's accurate by nomenclature. But in both cases, the architecture does not match up to what the nomenclature suggests.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

Originally Posted by MYDLIFECRISIS

So it IS an F-body??

Yes

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by SSRS1LE

Depends if you're talking about nomenclature or architecture.

Dodge decided to call their modern V8 a Hemi, even though it doesn't have hemispherical heads.

Chevy decided to put an F in the Camaro VIN, even though it's built on a Zeta platform.

So yes, if the manufacturer decrees that's what they are, it's accurate by nomenclature. But in both cases, the architecture does not match up to what the nomenclature suggests.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by SSRS1LE

Depends if you're talking about nomenclature or architecture.

Dodge decided to call their modern V8 a Hemi, even though it doesn't have hemispherical heads.

Chevy decided to put an F in the Camaro VIN, even though it's built on a Zeta platform.

So yes, if the manufacturer decrees that's what they are, it's accurate by nomenclature. But in both cases, the architecture does not match up to what the nomenclature suggests.

You're confusing yourself. Platform and body are 2 different things. The 5th Gen F-Body is on a Zeta II platform. That's why I could never understand the "It can't be a F-Body because it's on a Zeta II platform!" argument. GM is the manufacturer and they can put whatever body on whatever platform they want. And then they can assign whatever letter to that body they want. They assigned "F" to the 5th Gen Camaro making it a 5th Gen F-Body!

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

No, I'm not a troll. I wouldn't wait for 2k posts to turn into a troll
And yes, it does matter what platform it is built on. It is a Zeta platform, not an F platform. The F was put there for nostalgia, and if you care that much about it, you need to see a doctor about your OCD.

So you call me a troll and when I turn it around on you, you get all defensive. The car is a F-Body, on a Zeta II platform. I never called it a F platform. Maybe I am OCD, but I just thought that after four years of people asking the same question and getting the same wrong answer, it was about time somebody called B.S.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

So you call me a troll and when I turn it around on you, you get all defensive. The car is a F-Body, on a Zeta II platform. I never called it a F platform. Maybe I am OCD, but I just thought that after four years of people asking the same question and getting the same wrong answer, it was about time somebody called B.S.

I'm not getting defensive, I'm calling it like it is. If the F on your VIN makes you feel secure about yourself, go ahead. I like many other enthusiasts consider a true F-body to be a Camaro built on the F platform.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

I'm not getting defensive, I'm calling it like it is. If the F on your VIN makes you feel secure about yourself, go ahead. I like many other enthusiasts consider a true F-body to be a Camaro built on the F platform.

Sure you are. You called me a troll first. And you are not calling it like it is. This has already been settled by none other than the F-Bod Father himself.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

go look at your VIN. There's an "F" there.

1st position (of the VIN) represents the country in which the vehicle was built - 1 is U.S. 2 is Canada 3 is Mexico - etc.............

2nd position represents the manufacturer - "G" is for General Motors.

3rd position is 'Division' 1 is Chevy.

4th position is "vehicle line" (that would be "F" on a Camaro..........!!!)

(and 5th is 'series' -- that's what separates an LS from an LT from an SS from a ZL1.....)





It's an "F" body using the old nomenclature.

If someone sez it isn't an Fbody - tell them to come see me.

I think he wants you to come see him. He's probably going to make you write "The 5th Gen Camaro is a F-Body" 500 times.