Pricing/Engine/Motor Predictions

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

but I don't think that AFM would work on that engine. power would drop to under 75 hp. The Camaro would need more than that to cuise down the highway. At any rate, AFM vs non AFM means that they are no longer the same engine, right?

wow... how many cylinders are you going to shut down in a turbo 4 engine? that is just crazy talk... i think that we're at the threshold of economy and performance for our affordable technologys of today... 260 hp and 29 mpg out of an engine that at 130hp gets upwards of 36-42 MPG... i'm going to be interested to see how many MPG the 300 HP version is going to get... maybe it'd be more efficient (MPG) to get the 300 HP out of the 2.4L or the 2.2L ecotech engine...

[Krieger]

December 1999, stock 1999 Trans Am w/LS1 6speed cruise control on, certain stretch of road in Texas between Austin and Brownsville, and I got 32MPG. Most of the trip from California to S. Padre Island was on avg around 28MPG.

10 Years later... I think we will see better gas mileage and more power than a '99 LS1, but that's just my guess.


Mustang numbers will soon be 300, 400, and 500.
Expect Camaro to be that and more.

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by Krieger

December 1999, stock 1999 Trans Am w/LS1 6speed cruise control on, certain stretch of road in Texas between Austin and Brownsville, and I got 32MPG. Most of the trip from California to S. Padre Island was on avg around 28MPG.

10 Years later... I think we will see better gas mileage and more power than a '99 LS1, but that's just my guess.


Mustang numbers will soon be 300, 400, and 500.
Expect Camaro to be that and more.

probably more... with better MPG

[D1]

Does anyone know the pounds of torque these engines offer. A heavy car does require a degree of torque to come out of the 'hole' and then letting horsepower take over. I enjoyed the small blocks of Gen 1 Camaro's but was totally blown away with the torque of a 396. I drive a V6 Chrysler 300 and for the first three gears when manually shifted the car pulls well. I see on one post that car weighed 4,200 lbs. That is a lot of weight to place in motion for a 250 HP V6. I wonder how well the suggested 4 cylinder would do?

Transmission gearing and rear end ratio is key. In daily street performance I would take a motor with a lot of torque and gearing to keep Mustangs corraled and Challengers challenged.

Your thoughts.

D1

[17ac]

g8 gxp is 400 horses and around 38 grand

wat does that tell you about a 400 horsepower gm car?

[17ac]

sorry guys didnt want to get u down or anything but thats kinda been bugging me for a while

but if i had to guess the options..

V6-300HP 20-25

V8-430 HP LS3 27-35

V8-550 HP LSA 40-45

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 17ac

g8 gxp is 400 horses and around 38 grand

wat does that tell you about a 400 horsepower gm car?

It tells me that the GXP is going to be available in limited numbers. And it's going to be 'special'. How else to keep something 'special' besides hiking up the price so that only a handful of people can get one.

There has to be a V8 Camaro under 30 grand. Otherwise we can kiss the whole vehicle goodbye (that'd be about 30% of sales that are unappealing to shoppers). And since the only things we've heard out of the bigshots at GM is "around 400 hp"...I think it's very likely to see a 400hp Camaro for under 30 grand.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

but I don't think that AFM would work on that engine. power would drop to under 75 hp. The Camaro would need more than that to cuise down the highway.

Probably closer to 25hp. A user on another forum just posted today with testing, measuring, and calculations that his car required 22hp to cruise at 65mph. I think his car is a Nissan Altima, IIRC.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by D1

Does anyone know the pounds of torque these engines offer. A heavy car does require a degree of torque to come out of the 'hole' and then letting horsepower take over. I enjoyed the small blocks of Gen 1 Camaro's but was totally blown away with the torque of a 396. I drive a V6 Chrysler 300 and for the first three gears when manually shifted the car pulls well. I see on one post that car weighed 4,200 lbs. That is a lot of weight to place in motion for a 250 HP V6. I wonder how well the suggested 4 cylinder would do?

Transmission gearing and rear end ratio is key. In daily street performance I would take a motor with a lot of torque and gearing to keep Mustangs corraled and Challengers challenged.

Your thoughts.

D1

260 hp I4 - 260 ft-lbs
304 hp V6 -273 ft-lbs

heres where it gets interesting. in the G8 the L76 makes ~8% more torque than hp. If it gets tuned up to 400 hp, it will make something between 391 and 432 ft-lbs. The detuned LS3 in the G8 makes 402 hp and 402 ft-lbs.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

heres where it gets interesting. in the G8 the L76 makes ~8% more torque than hp. If it gets tuned up to 400 hp, it will make something between 391 and 432 ft-lbs. The detuned LS3 in the G8 makes 402 hp and 402 ft-lbs.

That's what I've been saying for quite some time... The L76 is a monster waiting to be released

[radz28]

I agree; I can't see why that engine can't get pretty close to an LS3 with a little tuning. You know that GM has to make the tunes in these cars with some margin for safety, so I'm sure there are going to be tuners who could get another 10 to 20 more horse from tuning.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by theholycow

Probably closer to 25hp. A user on another forum just posted today with testing, measuring, and calculations that his car required 22hp to cruise at 65mph. I think his car is a Nissan Altima, IIRC.

My Dad's VW Beetle has 36HP and can cruise at 70MPH.

[Dark Eric]

Originally Posted by GameOv3r

Ok everyone, feel free to post your pricing predictions for versions of the 5th gen Camaro and debate.

I'll start with my predictions:

2010 V-6 (300HP) Camaro = $19,990 base / $22,390 loaded

2010 LS3 (430HP Z-28) Camaro = $27,990 base / $31,790 loaded

2011 (SC LS3 (505HP SS) Camaro = $35,575 base / $38,995 loaded



Now, the reason I think the V-6 is deff. 300hp is because of that new Genesis being a 300 hp V-6. I think Chevy would love for a V-6 Camaro to be able to take out a Genesis AND a V-8 Mustang.

The reason I believe the base V-8 is a Z-28 is simple....it's been that way a long time now, why change it now and confuse casual buyers. The only people that it matters to are the enthusiasts. Most casual buyers remember the past couple gens having the top model Camaro be the SS. I believe the Z-28 will have the LS3 at 430 HP, reason being the past couple Z-28 gens had a weird HP number like that (I know that might be a stupid reason to believe that). And second, why de-tune the LS3 to put in a Camaro!!! Come on, the Camaro is being RE-BORN, why they hell would they want to de-tune ANYTHING in this beast? And it's not like it will be faster than the Corvette.

Now I chose the SS as the top dog Camaro having a 505HP SC LS3 that we won't see until 2010 as a 2011 model. The reason I think the SS will have a SC LS3 is because I know deep down GM wants the top dog Camaro to have LS7 power. I recall GM stating that the LS3 is a toned down LS7. I ALSO remember them saying that the LS3 is BETTER than the LS7....which is probably why they ridded themselves of the LS7 and came up with the LS9. So my guess is a SC LS3 can equal the LS7.

I know there is a 5th gen engine/motor coming out, but I think it won't happen until 2011.

My friend there is NO chance a 300HP V6 will be under $24,000. As far as the LS3 based Camaro is concerned, compared to the G8 GXP with 402HP (base $38,000 according to Motor trend), there is no way the Camaro can be $32,000 with 430HP. They will charge more because of demand and the name. The SS will be approx $44,000, a little bit less than a standard Corvette $46,000.

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cor...6576726f6c6574

I think Chevy can get a 2.0 liter turbo 4 cylinder Camaro to be $22,000, but the V6 will be the main seller and the one that will compete with the 350Z & 370Zs of the world. Chevy in my opinion will charge $26,800 for the V6 and the LS3 will be $35,000 at least. I know the SS Supercharged will be out of reach, it'll be at least $44,000. We can ony pray prices will be cheaper. The 3.6 liter V6 Cadillac CTS starts at $33,990. Do we really believe Chevy can make the V6 Camaro for $14,000 less??? Cadillac CTS-V starts at $51,425, can they make the Camaro SS $14,000 less than that???

http://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/ctsv...6164696c6c6163

Based off other GM cars, Pontiac and Cadillac for example, there is no chance in my opinion of seeing Camaro pricing cheaper than either of those division's best.

[17ac]

I saw a cts-v today that car was so awesome i really hope the Camaro gets that engine.