Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by klapper

It is now, but hey if you want to argue semantics the ZL1 is slower than the 2010 DODGE Viper too.

Is it faster than the ZR1 too?

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by klapper

It is now, but hey if you want to argue semantics the ZL1 is slower than the 2010 DODGE Viper too.

2015 DODGE viper has yet to be released, so its not NOW. And I believe you were the one that threw in viper. Again, nice try...

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Sorry, you misread...for the PAST three years, not three years ago...and still is. Unless you have your hellcat now...no need to reply, I know the answer.

Ok.....past 3 years, which is about to change and then it will be past tense.... Your previous reply and the Viper currently not being Dodge........YOU might want to do some research before you speak. Just sayin......

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Sven59

The Mustang made its first public appearance on a racetrack little more than a month after its April 17 introduction, as pace car for the 1964 Indianapolis 500.[12]
The same year, Mustangs achieved the first of many notable competition successes, winning first and second in class in the Tour de France international rally. The car's American competition debut, also in 1964, was in drag racing, where private individuals and dealer-sponsored teams campaigned Mustangs powered by 427 cu. in. V8s.

The Camaro was one of the vehicles in the SCCA-sanctioned Trans-Am Series. Chevrolet worked with Roger Penske to operate their unofficially factory-backed Trans Am team, winning the title in 1968 and 1969 with Mark Donohue. Jim Hall's Chaparral team replaced Penske for the 1970 season. Warren Agor of Rochester, NY, was the series' leading Camaro privateer, his orange #13's o, 1993, 1994, and 1998.
There was also another SCCA Trans-Am Series Camaro that was not popular because of racing but because of its body modifications. This Camaro, number 13, had been built and driven by Henry “Smokey” Yunick. Smokey Yunick was a car builder who worked to reduce the weight of his cars by acid-dipping body parts and installing thinner safety glass.
The Penske/Donohue Camaros also had the front sheet metal dropped, all four fenders widened, windshield laid back, front sub-frame “Z’d” to lower the car, the floor pan moved up and even the drip-rails were moved closer to the body. This Camaro had always kept its stock look and had a 302 engine that was able to produce 482 horsepower.. One part that had come out of his testing was the Edelbrock Cross-Manifold. To this day the Smokey Yunick 1968 Camaro is owned by Vic Edelbrock Jr.

The Challenger was introduced to the SCCA Trans Am Series in 1970. Two factory-backed cars were prepared by Ray Caldwell's Autodynamics and driven by Sam Posey and Tony Adamowicz. The No.77 car was built at Autodynamics from a street Challenger T/A that was taken from a local dealer showroom. The No.76 chassis arrived mid-season from Dan Gurney's All-American Racers, and was completed by Autodynamics.
Dodge's mid-1970s factory-supported "Kit Car" program for short-track late-model stock car racing offered a choice of Challenger but in 1974 Dodge ended the challenger line and they went to the Dodge dart sports and Dodge Aspen bodies over a steel-tube chassis.[59]

Historically all three pony cars have a track background so keeping with heritage what happened to Ford and Dodge?

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

Ok.....past 3 years, which is about to change and then it will be past tense.... Your previous reply and the Viper currently not being Dodge........YOU might want to do some research before you speak. Just sayin......

Yep, 2012 - 2014 SRT viper...again, past three years. Keep trollin...

[Sven59]

The hell kitten kind of sounds like a competitor in a triathlon who didn't win but bragged I was the fastest in the swim!

[motorhead]

I've been on this site since 09, and for the most part the Challenger has gotten pretty good props from the the members here. Now that it beats us in HP the claws have come out everywhere. I wonder who the really kitty is here. Talk about looking like a bunch of sore loosers. Hell cat wins for now as far as a high powered street car goes. Don't worry GM and Ford fan boys. It won't be on top for long.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by Sven59

The hell kitten kind of sounds like a competitor in a triathlon who didn't win but bragged I was the fastest in the swim!

No that is the current ZL1 owners. It all sounds like you have sour grapes to me. We all know the ZL1 is the slow dog in the pack.

[Sven59]

I didn't even know there was a challenger until the hell kitty was announced. Sarcasm. If you don't do anything for years people tend to forget about you. I mean even in reviews when the ZL1 and new GT500 came out the challenger was rarely mentioned.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by macwest

No that is the current ZL1 owners. It all sounds like you have sour grapes to me. We all know the ZL1 is the slow dog in the pack.

Now your talking, a pack is more than two so you must be talking road racing. What are the hell kitties times there again?

[klapper]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Is it faster than the ZR1 too?

In equal conditions, for more than one lap probably yes. The 2010 ACR turned a lap 7 seconds faster than the ZR1 at Nurburgring, albeit using a professional driver. The ZR1 was marginally faster at Laguna Seca than the ACR but again this was a professional driver vs a factory engineer. I think the normally aspirated viper has less problems with heat buildup in the engine for longer races.

Anyway back to the topic at hand: will GM try to beat the Hellcat acceleration capability with a quicker version of the Camaro. My guess is not.

[Sven59]

Let's look at how these cars are reviewed, most reviews entail three main areas. 0-60 and 1/4 mile, a road course, and drivability, the ZL1 wins two out of three. Usually 2 out of 3 is the winner.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by klapper

In equal conditions, for more than one lap probably yes. The 2010 ACR turned a lap 7 seconds faster than the ZR1 at Nurburgring, albeit using a professional driver. The ZR1 was marginally faster at Laguna Seca than the ACR but again this was a professional driver vs a factory engineer. I think the normally aspirated viper has less problems with heat buildup in the engine for longer races.

Anyway back to the topic at hand: will GM try to beat the Hellcat acceleration capability with a quicker version of the Camaro. My guess is not.

My guess is yes, and you are helping make that happen, thank you!

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Yep, 2012 - 2014 SRT viper...again, past three years. Keep trollin...

Trollin.....I own 2014 Camaro......lol