Motortrend Hellcat vs ZL1

[96MrBass]

[QUOTE=cam99;7906757]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

It put down 540rwhp on a dynojet.

Well now it certainly looks as though GM could surpass or make the ZL1 a serious contender with a small hp bump it doesn't need much as is.

[LBV]

It's disappointing that with so much more HP the Hellcat times are closer than expected. Ya the trap speed says a lot but we're at the point now where AWD needs to be an option ... if not on names like Challenger and Camaro then on other models, even if they're brand new names.

The Europeans and Japanese are now all doing it (AMG, GT-R, etc.) and it's a no brainer in my mind to give customers the OPTION of choosing the same engine/drivetrain with AWD if we wanted.

Heck, put this Chrysler unit in from the new Cherokee (fortified of course):

"The technology effectively cuts the driveline in half, disconnecting the power transfer unit (PTU) and rear drive module (RDM) when in front-wheel drive mode. This reduces inertia and drag created by the movement of unnecessary components associated with powering the rear wheels.
EcoTrac can either be activated directly by the driver or automatically by the electronic control unit, which kicks-in under conditions such as rain, change in slope or change in temperature. These trigger points can also be customized by the driver.
When the control unit detects AWD is needed, the system engages utilizing a wet clutch in the RDM to bring the rear driveline up to the same speed as the PTU. This is designed to provide a seamless engagement of AWD without any interruption to the driver or vehicle performance. The system reverts back front-wheel drive mode once it senses conditions are suitable.
To date AMM has been granted five US patents for EcoTrac and has another nine pending."

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The 2015 warranty isn't on the Dodge site yet but as of 2014, taking your Challenger to the track will void your warranty. I met a guy a the strip that told me the dealers check the wheel well for rubber.

Here is the SRT Challenger page from the Dodge site.

You might wanna read it again, the warranty doesnt cover racing.

FYI, GM doesnt warranty the 1LE, ZL1 nor the Z28 for racing either, per the warranty manual.

Taken from the GM Camaro warranty manual:

.."The New Vehicle Limited Warranty
does not cover damage caused as
the result of any of the following:
. Collision, fire, theft, freezing,
vandalism, riot, explosion,
or objects striking the vehicle
. Misuse of the vehicle such as
driving over curbs, overloading,
racing, or other competition.
Proper vehicle use is discussed
in the owner manual.
. Alteration, modification,
or tampering to the vehicle,
including, but not limited to the
body, chassis, powertrain,
driveline, software, or other
components after final assembly
by GM." .


Even though racing mainly occurs at a track, every track event is not an actual race.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

Says a lot about a car and a company that builds a car with a ton of power for racing but if you race it they will void the warranty.

See post above.

[dtwolcot2]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You can take yours with white numbers still on the window and rubber in the wells.

I did when I got my supercharger replaced. When I picked it up I was asked what track do I run at and what times I was running.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

You might wanna read it again, the warranty doesnt cover racing.

FYI, GM doesnt warranty the 1LE, ZL1 nor the Z28 for racing either, per the warranty manual.

You can not race competitively but you can track the car. See time mark 1:50

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by ihada69L78

The Hellcat definitely wins in the most unappealing front end appearance category.
I bet heat soak is going to be a problem also.

Heat soak will not be a problem they have two intercoolers built into the super charger so the air tem never gos over 140 degrees or so says dodge.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The 2015 warranty isn't on the Dodge site yet but as of 2014, taking your Challenger to the track will void your warranty. I met a guy a the strip that told me the dealers check the wheel well for rubber.

Here is the SRT Challenger page from the Dodge site.

I have posted this a few times on camaro5 forums so don't shoot me. Dodge will warrant the hell cat 6.2 on the drag strip or road course. This is what Ralph Giles the then head of SRT said in an interview. They do not warrant any other engine dodge makes for racing only the 6.2. I know where I race the 5 ZL-1s that come out are all stock. They say they will not MOD until the warranty is up.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Sven59

I am sure they could run a diagnostic and find if you have, GM doesn't care.

There are a lot of ZL-1 owners who don't know that GM doesn't care. All of them that I know which is 5 are very careful not to do anything that would void their warranty and they all think racing would void their warranty they have told me so.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Well that will be something the people who buy the car will have to deal with, it that turns out to be the case on the Hellcat. I would imagine it would be tricky for them to void warranties on bone stock cars after they have put so much time and energy providing "NHRA certified" times, but I haven't read the fine print.

You are correct hard to void the warranty when you advertise it as a race car.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

Says a lot about a car and a company that builds a car with a ton of power for racing but if you race it they will void the warranty.

Just asking dose Chevrolet have it in writing that the ZL-1 has a warranty if raced.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by LBV

It's disappointing that with so much more HP the Hellcat times are closer than expected. Ya the trap speed says a lot but we're at the point now where AWD needs to be an option ... if not on names like Challenger and Camaro then on other models, even if they're brand new names.

The Europeans and Japanese are now all doing it (AMG, GT-R, etc.) and it's a no brainer in my mind to give customers the OPTION of choosing the same engine/drivetrain with AWD if we wanted.

Heck, put this Chrysler unit in from the new Cherokee (fortified of course):

"The technology effectively cuts the driveline in half, disconnecting the power transfer unit (PTU) and rear drive module (RDM) when in front-wheel drive mode. This reduces inertia and drag created by the movement of unnecessary components associated with powering the rear wheels.
EcoTrac can either be activated directly by the driver or automatically by the electronic control unit, which kicks-in under conditions such as rain, change in slope or change in temperature. These trigger points can also be customized by the driver.
When the control unit detects AWD is needed, the system engages utilizing a wet clutch in the RDM to bring the rear driveline up to the same speed as the PTU. This is designed to provide a seamless engagement of AWD without any interruption to the driver or vehicle performance. The system reverts back front-wheel drive mode once it senses conditions are suitable.
To date AMM has been granted five US patents for EcoTrac and has another nine pending."

If you race you would know that a full second faster is not close. The ZL-1 runs 12.0 to 12.3 stock the hell kitty runs 11.2 stock on the stock tires and 10.80 on nitto 555Rs. Not even close.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

You might wanna read it again, the warranty doesnt cover racing.

FYI, GM doesnt warranty the 1LE, ZL1 nor the Z28 for racing either, per the warranty manual.

Taken from the GM Camaro warranty manual:

.."The New Vehicle Limited Warranty
does not cover damage caused as
the result of any of the following:
. Collision, fire, theft, freezing,
vandalism, riot, explosion,
or objects striking the vehicle
. Misuse of the vehicle such as
driving over curbs, overloading,
racing, or other competition.
Proper vehicle use is discussed
in the owner manual.
. Alteration, modification,
or tampering to the vehicle,
including, but not limited to the
body, chassis, powertrain,
driveline, software, or other
components after final assembly
by GM." .


Even though racing mainly occurs at a track, every track event is not an actual race.

Just to clear it up the SRT dose not have a warranty that covers racing the HELL KITTY dose there is a big difference in a hell kitty and an srt. The hell kitty is the only car dodge makes that has a warranty if raced or tracked.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by Hell Cat 1

If you race you would know that a full second faster is not close. The ZL-1 runs 12.0 to 12.3 stock the hell kitty runs 11.2 stock on the stock tires and 10.80 on nitto 555Rs. Not even close.

If you're going to compare times, compare marketing times to marketing times or review times to review times.