GM CATCH CAN Warranty Denial PETITION

[qcman]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Just glad to help someone out (I'm Timothy.).

What about starting a gofundme to just help cover the cost of the repair If he'd rather just put it behind him and move on.?

I was thinking the same and would contribute to that gladly.

[NYCamOwner]

Originally Posted by qcman

I was thinking the same and would contribute to that gladly.

What about the next person who has an engine problem and they have a catch can installed? They will want to do the same to help with the costs..

Everyone knows that mods "could" affect their warranties...

[qcman]

Originally Posted by NYCamOwner

What about the next person who has an engine problem and they have a catch can installed? They will want to do the same to help with the costs..

Everyone knows that mods "could" affect their warranties...

I suppose but this case irks me for many reasons and this isn't someone asking for help either. The guy has not asked anyone for a penny. He has accepted his fate and is trying to make the best of it. Cudos to him!

[Rainbow1616]

Originally Posted by NYCamOwner

What about the next person who has an engine problem and they have a catch can installed? They will want to do the same to help with the costs..

Everyone knows that mods "could" affect their warranties...

I'd have to agree, but on the other hand you have this forum touting Oil Catch Cans and so someone puts one on and this happens. Then you have Vendors saying MMA and they can't void your warranty but they do? Some people just can't afford lawyers to fight the fight for them. So what does that leave you?
I understand that there are a lot of people that would take advantage of a gofundme account even though intentions were genuine. Definitely a dilemma that I wish on No One.

[NYCamOwner]

Originally Posted by qcman

I suppose but this case irks me for many reasons and this isn't someone asking for help either. The guy has not asked anyone for a penny. He has accepted his fate and is trying to make the best of it. Cudos to him!

and I agree with you there, kudos to him to want to put it all behind him. And I know that he is not asking for help, but I hate that for every time you do something nice, there are people who will expect it for them. I have seen it too many times.

[NYCamOwner]

Originally Posted by Rainbow1616

I'd have to agree, but on the other hand you have this forum touting Oil Catch Cans and so someone puts one on and this happens. Then you have Vendors saying MMA and they can't void your warranty but they do? Some people just can't afford lawyers to fight the fight for them. So what does that leave you?
I understand that there are a lot of people that would take advantage of a gofundme account even though intentions were genuine. Definitely a dilemma that I wish on No One.

And I was ready to add to the GoFundMe to help pay for the lawyer fee to help fight the warranty claim, because it would have helped everyone, not just this one person.

[Moto-Mojo]

It almost seems like there has been a movement to 'scare' people about warranties. I was going to the dealer to have my "first" oil change done so as to create a maintenance record to satisfy a lease. (they were too busy to get me in) It's 11 months old w/ 3000 miles and I've actually changed the oil TWICE!

But the point is, the service writer said, "You'll want to get the service scheduled ASAP so you don't void the warranty." For a 3000 mile oil change? On a lease?

It's like they're pushing the "voided warranty" thing, hard. Maybe they need another cash infusion. Maybe should GoFundMe for GM!

[Moto-Mojo]

It almost seems like there has been a movement to 'scare' people about warranties. I was going to the dealer to have my "first" oil change done so as to create a maintenance record to satisfy a lease. (they were too busy to get me in) It's 11 months old w/ 3000 miles and I've actually changed the oil TWICE!

But the point is, the service writer said, "You'll want to get the service scheduled ASAP so you don't void the warranty." For a 3000 mile oil change? On a lease?

It's like they're pushing the "voided warranty" thing, hard. Maybe they need another cash infusion. Maybe should GoFundMe for GM!

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by Rainbow1616

I'd have to agree, but on the other hand you have this forum touting Oil Catch Cans and so someone puts one on and this happens. Then you have Vendors saying MMA and they can't void your warranty but they do? Some people just can't afford lawyers to fight the fight for them. So what does that leave you?
I understand that there are a lot of people that would take advantage of a gofundme account even though intentions were genuine. Definitely a dilemma that I wish on No One.

I am no lawyer, so take what I am about to say with a grain of salt. The MMA is written in my opinion to allow people to use aftermarket products of equal or greater quality in place of an OEM product without the fear or a warranty becoming invalid. That is not the case with the OP. He added a non-OEM part to an existing system (added not replacing). Do I think it had anything to do with his problem? No I do not. Do I think that the MMA applies to catch cans on Gen 5 Camaros? No I do not. I would love a person with a legal back ground in this matter to add some clarity to this.

[kevint]

Originally Posted by NYCamOwner

And the next thing you will see will be GoFundMe's setup for people who "cannot afford" repairs, or upgrades, or insurance costs, anything...

I see those all the time on GoFundMe. We had a "friend" who needed help with her medical bills, so she did a GoFundMe and raised about $5k towards her bills. 6 months after that, she was out buying new clothes, a new $40k car, and all this expensive stuff. She was stupid enough to post all that info on Facebook, so all the people that contributed saw it. There were a lot of pissed off people.

The math checks out.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by NYCamOwner

and I agree with you there, kudos to him to want to put it all behind him. And I know that he is not asking for help, but I hate that for every time you do something nice, there are people who will expect it for them. I have seen it too many times.

Its true abuse can result form this sort of thing but I figure I can use good judgement in that regard. Would I sponsor a gofundme for Tila Tequila to get firmer breast implants to make her a better porn star. Not likely.... well wait a second maybe LOL.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

I think it's pretty simple, he needs the car running, he knows how to fix it and can, and fighting it means lawyers, courts, money, and time.

This.

Nothing fishy. Nothing more.

I've been on this from the beginning. I've also read the replies from certain unnamed top GM folks and while they seem to have only one side of the story, they are sticking to, "where do we draw the line?"

John has been 100% honest. I know him well and will vouch for him. Hell, I let him put his hands in my cash till during Camaro fest time and time again and I'm VERY non trusting with all the crap I've dealt with.

John still doesn't know how a catch can could have caused the failure but he needs his car fixed. If he fights this, he spends money on a lawyer and can't touch his car until it's inspected, etc for court so it's current condition can remain untouched for court, etc. He knows he's getting the short end of the stick but he also knows this is a chance he took just like all of us when we go putting on aftermarket parts.

But as for GM's "where do we draw the line" statement? I don't know... where do we?

I'd say 80% of us have some sort of mod done to their car. All I've done to my ZL1 is a CAI. Does that mean I run the risk of losing my ENTIRE power train warranty just because of a CAI???

Shoot...if that's the case, I guess I better go back to discount tire and make sure I have F1 Supercars put back on my car....would hate to lose a power train warranty over tires. I mean....where DO we draw the line....

Legitimate question....

[TAG UR IT]

Btw, I do have the F1's....

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

It almost seems like there has been a movement to 'scare' people about warranties. I was going to the dealer to have my "first" oil change done so as to create a maintenance record to satisfy a lease. (they were too busy to get me in) It's 11 months old w/ 3000 miles and I've actually changed the oil TWICE!

But the point is, the service writer said, "You'll want to get the service scheduled ASAP so you don't void the warranty." For a 3000 mile oil change? On a lease?

It's like they're pushing the "voided warranty" thing, hard. Maybe they need another cash infusion. Maybe should GoFundMe for GM!

Things have changed a bit in the last couple of decades in the auto industry. Twenty years ago, MSRP on new cars represented about 15-20% mark up for dealers. Over the years, the cost to build cars had increased dramatically, much faster than the market would allow for price increases. So now they are dealing with margins of 6-8% on most cars.

Combine the lower margins, with the increased technology, and tighter tolerances required on today's engines to remain competitive. Add to that equation the added cost to manufacture these engines, and yes, the need to monitor proper maintenance, especially on a lease vehicle, is crucial. Keep in mind, on a lease, the dealership considers that car to be theirs, they're just letting you drive it. They are looking at resale value after you turn it in.