Mustangs................

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by ljustin293

Do you honestly believe that since Ford has put out these numbers for the 2011 MY that Chevy's V6 won't be better than this years??

It's going to have to be quit a bit better. Because as we all know the ss barely beat's the GT and the ss out powers it by 100+ horse. I want to see the Camaro run with the Mustang at 315 horse, oh wait, it would'nt be able to. Apparently people keep needing those fact's repeated. And I will say it again, it's a FACT!!! I would once again like to thank Ford for the Camaro and Challenger.

Dont hate because you all know it's true.

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

You make me laugh..........no really you do.

If truths make you laugh, maybe you should be reading Wikipedia?

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You show me these imaginary number's where it handily beat's it. And I dont want to see a 1 or 2 second's. 1/4 mile not by much around the track again not by much, however like I said there is a 100+ hp difference so of course it won. For having 100 more horse it sure isnt a significant amount.

Almost forgot to add 5speed vs 6 so again I say show me.

At the power these cars generate, there's a real factor of "diminishing returns". The higher your performance gets, the harder it becomes to improve it. For example, quarter mile times do not scale linearly with HP increases.

That being said, in a 5 second 0-60 car, cutting 0.5 seconds off the time is a 10% improvement, which is really a pretty significant amount at this performance level. It takes a lot more power to cut 10% off a 5 second car than it does to cut 10% off a car that gets a 10 second 0-60.

You cannot really dismiss a 0.5 second advantage in 0-60 or a 1 second advantage in quarter mile as not significant. Those amounts qualify as "handily" beating the slower car.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Sure it can. It can transform into a hulking, rusting pile of s**t in a record 1 year. Just ask that dude on the forums here with the Shelby GT500 that is rusting to hell. He was lobbying all Mustang owners to join his crusade. LOL!

I don't think it transformed at all. According to that guy, it was that way when he took delivery.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

If truths make you laugh, maybe you should be reading Wikipedia?

Yeah Wikipedia is a joke

[Number 3]

Ok, so the Mustang "catches up" with a decent V6 (slightly larger in displacement mind you which is nearly the result of the 11 hp). Being a smaller car, this should be a pretty hot package.

This is what makes this segment so great. You knew Ford had to respond with something and now they have.

Next will be can Chrysler/Fiat respond..............and what will GM do next

Now the fun begins. And mind you this is all in a world of CAFE and emissions regulations.

One would almost think it was the 60's again.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You show me these imaginary number's where it handily beat's it. And I dont want to see a 1 or 2 second's. 1/4 mile not by much around the track again not by much, however like I said there is a 100+ hp difference so of course it won. For having 100 more horse it sure isnt a significant amount.

Almost forgot to add 5speed vs 6 so again I say show me.

Edit - Forget it. I just realized I'm trying to debate someone who won't even acknowledge reality, about a car that doesn't exist.

[13]

^ how normal, none misleading graphs should look like...

is that really that big of a difference?

i love the original graph though.. even the colors.. camaros in pink and mustangs in red..

[mike25]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

wait til that GM quality rears it's ugly head and yours starts falling apart



but seriously any one who can't tell the difference between surface rust and something that is rusting thru is an idiot.

troll anddd..

Originally Posted by meanmike

It's going to have to be quit a bit better. Because as we all know the ss barely beat's the GT and the ss out powers it by 100+ horse. I want to see the Camaro run with the Mustang at 315 horse, oh wait, it would'nt be able to. Apparently people keep needing those fact's repeated. And I will say it again, it's a FACT!!! I would once again like to thank Ford for the Camaro and Challenger.

Dont hate because you all know it's true.

troll. Quit nuthugging other cars or leave...this was a half respectable topic until you all started posting

[calflan]

Well, this IS news. Will the new Mustang have corrosion underbelly issues ?
Competition is good and let's not forget who brought the retro style back first and started this whole deal - the Mustang.
Still ... Camaro for me all the way, but sure starting to feel like the '60's and '70's all over again, COOL !

[jnewberr2ssrs]

I already commented on this thread but have given it more thought and we really should not be worried that Ford is getting its stuff together in terms of performance...Like I said before, competition is awesome and we all share a common passion...

That being said...What can GM do in response for the 2011 model year if it's really worried about a now solid competition? (Sorry Mustang guys I'm not saying that the '10 Mustang is crap I'm just saying that in the end the Camaro outperformed this year [yes, except for weight...but all things still considered the numbers are out there]...I'm not going to argue about to what significance or degree, just that this year the Camaro did outperform)...The 2011 Mustang really does look like solid competition so it'll be very interesting...But still, what might GM do in response to solid competition?

Well let's take for example what Ford did in the short run (1 model year solution...2010) with the GT...They took the Bullitt Mustang options and carried them over to the GT to bump up the performance (cold air intake, computer retune, and gears) to gain 15 horsepower...

In the short term, GM could just as easily get it's stuff together with GMPP and start offering packages like this from the factory...Sure they won't be drastic increases (just like the power gain from the '09 to '10 Mustang GT), but say we add even 15 horsepower to the LS3 (441 horsepower)...That'll give a little bump at least and I think it would make it pretty interesting (that little bump did make the Mustang a little livelier so I'd be interested to see what it could do to the Camaro SS...But, yes, whoever it was that mentioned the Law of Diminishing Returns is absolutely right...That does apply. But still, it would be something)

Don't hate on the Mustangs so much guys...Yes the whole pony car era did begin with the Mustang and competition is part of the American spirit...It drives us to become better, leaner, faster, or whatever the competition calls for. So without the Mustang we wouldn't be getting newer, cooler features in years to come...

It definitely does feel like the 60's and 70's again...Wait a second...I'm only 21 so I wasn't around hahahaha But you get my point...Very cool to see the "pony car wars" are back in swing lol Very cool!

That's my take on things and I will say it again...I absolutely love my SS and couldn't have asked for more in a car! The first time I saw my car it was a once in a lifetime experience/feeling and I couldn't have asked for more honestly! I love it and I can't wait to drive it again... I'm out of the country and won't be back for a while... :(

[syr74]

I'm curious to see how GM responds myself. Camaro SS is just barely beating the gas guzzler demon right now so the old strategy of throwing a bigger cam or a couple more cubes into the mix obviously wont be on the table. And while a fifth gen small-block has been in the rumor mill for some time now we know that engine wont be ready for the 2011MY and it seems unlikely for 2012. That means GM will have to answer with the LS3 or a derivative thereof, if they answer at all on the V8 hp front anytime soon. If they do answer, it will require some real thought this time 'round so things could get interesting.

As for the V6 Camaro, the LLT is really a relatively new beast so we really don't know what that mill has left in reserves. If I'm not mistaken the basic design can be taken out to 4.0L, but that seems likely to cost the general a mpg or two so I am unsure they will want to go that route. Of course, if the General happened to be making some tweaks in the name of fuel economy anyway...something which is rumored to be happening since that engine is oh so close to 30mpg....GM could potentially find a way to bump up the cubes and offset any penalty in fuel economy with those tweaks and find their power increase without paying a penalty at the pump. Of course, that would mean giving up on the magical 30mpg mark...everything is a trade off.

Good times.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by mike25

troll anddd..



troll. Quit nuthugging other cars or leave...this was a half respectable topic until you all started posting

Seems to me like you can't accept facts.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by mike25

troll anddd..



troll. Quit nuthugging other cars or leave...this was a half respectable topic until you all started posting

Yep that's what I do. I have never started the BS I just set you people straight and if you cant handle that well then just about it. I didn't come in claiming this or that I have only pointed out the FACT'S to you fanboy's I'm not here to cause problem's but I WILL NOT say nothing while you people post false information. Apparently you cant handle the truth.

I think you need to go back and see exactly who started posting false comment's before you accuse me of anything oh wait that's all you fanboy's can do. I am not loyal to GM or Ford I will defend either to the end with truthfull information. In fact this is my first Ford ever.